What determines good distortion?


I have a friend using an Audio Research CA 50 integrated amp with 45 watts/channel into Vandersteen 2ce sig II. I use a 50 watt YBA integrated into the same speakers. We both listen at sane levels in small rooms 8 x 12. He thinks that it's better to use a 50 watt tube amp rather than a 50 watt SS amp because tubes when they distort sound more pleasant. I'm thinking that if you drive the amp into clipping it's bad with either a SS or tube amp because clipping distortion is bad whether or not you can tolerate it. Am I wrong?
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J, I think you are mistaking tube for single ended and ss for ultralinear. An old Pass Aleph does not distroy even order harmonics like an old ARC push pull.
You will hear a lot about ss sound and distortions vs tube sound and distortions. First, eliminate the stupid. A well designed and built amp will be wonderful, regardless of whether it is tube or ss. As Jmcgrogan2 stated, ss designs "typically" produce odd order harmonic distortions, where tubes produce even order distortions. This is only true so far as how the amps were designed. circuit designs can correct for distortion effects. it totally depends on how much effort and money the designers placed into their designs. So, please do not buy into the ss sound one way and tubes sound another way. you can have a tube design that is basically crappy circuit design, same as with ss. So, it is a combination of the actual circuit designs (regardless of whether it is tube or ss) and then you add in whether they "corrected" for particular distortion effects in the design. I have heard (within specific price points) ss amps that were much better than tube amps and visa versa (within the price points). At the upper end of the price range, i.e. rediculously priced amps, I would take either one. The ss amps sounded wonderful and so did the tube amps. One is definitely not better than the other. It depends on price, circuit designs and other factors. Please don't buy into the tube is better than solid state or visa versa arguments. Pick a price point, then go demo in your home, using your equipment the various amps and see/hear for yourself. depending on the amps, you will probably pick a ss amp and in other cases, the tube amp will make you smile.

stay away from the hype.

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Jmcgrogan2 is correct about odd and even order harmonic distortions. The best explanation I've read to explain the difference is this:
imagine you are listenning a sollo singer - this is your base sound. Now imagine you are listenning to a chorus - thouse are all your harmonic distortions. If every singer in the chorus sings in cynch (even order harmonic distortions) the sound, even though is different from a solo singer, is pleasant. However, if anybody in the chorus is singing out of cynch (odd order harmonic distortions) the sound becomes unpleasant.
Lewhite is correct, I was confused. It's single-ended amps that produce the even order harmonic distortion versus push-pull amps which produce odd order harmonic distortion. I think my confusion is because MOST single ended amps are of the tube variety. However, yes, the Pass Aleph series are single ended solid state amps.
For me, distortion is distortion. It is never good. Some are just less offensive than others. SOme might even sound pleasant. But look up the definition of distortion.

If your goal is to reproduce the original as accurately as possible, it is NEVER good.

If your goal is to make the original better in some way that you desire (although concurrently less accurate), then some distortions might accomplish that. Distortions resulting from soft clipping versus hard clipping is a common and valid audio example.

Note that soft clipping is more common but not unique to tube amps and hard clipping more with SS amps, but some SS amps may also soft clip though I am not sure if any tube amps hard clip?

Better to be safe and avoid clipping altogether by not skimping on the power needs of your speakers in your room. Effects of clipping can be subtle and not easily recognized way before the point comes where you can clearly hear it! THis is a very common scenario that affects many unknowing listeners out there who cannot understand why their system does not sound as good as it should.

I'm sure there are some things that could be done to even the Mona Lisa to make it more appealing to some, but that would result in a reproduction that is distorted in some way but for good reason perhaps. Would that be wrong?