Lou Reed/Metallica "Lulu" just awful

MI8764ag,
It takes real adoration and pure BS to claim Lou made that album "intentionally bad" and the joke was on everyone. Trust me, Lou is hardly that bright, it was bad because an idiot made it nothing more. How can this guy be called brilliant is way beyond me, from his Velvet days and beyond he is stupidity amplified.

So sorry, I was directing that at Marty.

No worries Chad... but this is a good opportunity to say something...

My feeling: Before anyone disses Lou wholesale... they should really listen to Transformer, New Sensations, and New York. Lou Reed is actually fairly unique in staying relevant for at least 3 decades! How many other artists can you say that (and don't say the stones, they've been coasting since Tattoo you!...and don't get me started on The Who...farewell tour 1983 ..exactly.

Have you heard Twilight Reeling? I know that he often talks his songs... but very few can turn a phrase like Lou. Lou's been an incredible influence to many many many bands. He's just begun to take himself too seriously. If there wasn't a Velvet Underground you wouldn't have the Pixies, Nirvana, Weezer, and many others (yes, I know you crabby old ba$4ards are saying that would be a good thing right now ; ). The Velvet Underground opened the door for SO MUCH good music! They truly offered an alternative for formulaic British Pop.

I'll never get you guys that hate things without hearing it...let alone, listening to it.

Chad

For the record - again - I never said that the record was intentionally bad. I said that, I, too had heard the story that it was deliberately bad and that Lou Reed continues to deny that it was deliberately bad. I don't know whether it was a misfire or if he intentionally delivered a turd. I just know that it sucks.

Further, I never called him brilliant - I just said that I liked a fair bit of The VU material and that it was highly influential on a lot of the people who re-shaped rock in the late '60s/early '70s. That can be confirmed by a quick listen and/or some research. Why not see who covered the VU songs from 1970 forward for a sense of this?

I also like his first two solo records.

I even mentioned that he has done very little over the last 40 years that I find interesting and you call that adoration?

Huh?

Marty

I've mostly been listening to LuLu on headphones while working. Good background music. To me the "Loutallica" experiment was just awful primarily due to Lou Reed IMO. I enjoyed Metallica's guitar parts but Lou Reed's fragmented/fractured poetry songs whatever you want to call it really gets me. I would have liked it if they split it up. Say one of Lou Reed's poems followed by Metallica's guitar jams inspired by the poetry.

One song sounds like a metal band jamming and then a old angry man walks in on the concert and starts rambling.

Well I'm assuming both parties had fun putting together this "art". Hopefully Metallica's next collaboration will be better executed.