Best speakers in the 50-60k range ?


Some context: I’ve recently had to downsize my speakers. However since I got inot this hobby 2 years ago I’ve always been looking ahead, to see what my next big item purchase is. I’ve got a budget of about $60k for the speakers.

I have a superate budget for amp, dac, but regardless of the type of speaker I wind up with, I will get a electronic front end that makes sense for the speaker. I think it’s a bit backwards to be considering amp before I’ve selected the right speakers.

I  like pop, rock, metal, grunge like Rush, Metallica, Cranberries and Taylor Swift as much as I like better mastered music like Diana Krall.

Oh. And I like horns.

Here are the options I’ve been considering so far;

Purchasing another pair of JBL 4367. This option makes a lot of sense if I wanted to spend 100k on electronics instead. I was thinking Mcintosh (MC611) or Spectral (DMA360) amplification, or Pass Labs (XA200.8) as for preamps I could go with the Mcintosh C1100, the matching Spectral preamp, or the Pass Labs XP-30 or XS preamp. 

But I want to try Wilsons, or Avantgardes... see below.

Sasha DAW or Alexia Series 2. The former allows me to budget for a matching high power amp, the latter would require purchasing a lower end power amp until I’ve saved enough for a better one. Another option would be to wait until early 2020 before purchasing anything. The dealer I wanted to do business with carries both Mcintosh and Wilson... an audition for the aforementioned speakers is of course mandatory, and upcoming this summer. I’ve no doubt in my mind I’ll be impressed with what I hear but if im not I always have the JBL or other options.

Avantgarde Acoustics Duo XD or possibly Duo Mezzo. Yes I love horns. I am almost certain I would greatly enjoy these. I just love love horns. Another advantage is that these are self powered bass section speakers so I could use a low powered 2a3 tube amp with them. (I love 2a3 amps) which is significantly less expensive cost wise compared to the solid state beasts I’d need for the Wilsons...

Anyway that’s what I’ve got so far. I’ve asked around on another forum called audiosciencereview and the advice the few people I spoke with so far was that I’m better off getting another pair of JBL. It does seem logical. And I’d have a huge budget to play with for all manner of electronics... but the audiophile in me wants to get Wilson, or AG... 

Ill also be auditioning the Magico S5MKII but based on my research so far I don’t think I would like the sound of those speakers.
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just thinking out loud here.... I guess its true about speakers ... that among all the audio gear they have the most impact and attraction in that relationship something unique happens.

my EXP says anything I deem as 'destination' level gear, is not really the end of the road. I just think it is.

I do hear the note for living outside the mainstream confines with audio gear.

there are points to consider with speakers in general.

speaker design and technology is not standing still. new materials and new ways of introducing these materials spring up readily.

generally speaking does anyone feel speakers from a dozen years ago are as good or better than the newer versions of the same model today?

how about five years? three?

another concern IMO is support. plain and simnple.

whenever I pitch money at something I need the assurance if something bad occurs, there will be someone around to repair it.

some very gifted designers make some very good to outstanding over achieving gear. sometimes these makers simply walk away and or die. thereafter owners are left high and dry.

don't tell me this is not a consideration when buying high end audio kit. when the price tag goes up so does anxiety... well, that is of course for many people it does. perhaps if the funds dwell in the unlimited area it might be different, but at point of sale and certainly thereafter, people are either emmotionally or mentally unsettled to one degree or another.

I've mentioned more than one speaker brand that is not 'mainstream' here based ONLY on performance.

perhaps its merely about the confidence level one has in the design and build, though the thought of support simply can not be set aside lightly.

personally I tend to think bad things won't ahppen to me if the kit is built really well and is brand new to boot. I've also been around long enough to know differently too.

as Bob Carver once said, "the lifetime warranty we offer is based on my life, not your's or the gear's".

warrnties are based on the makers health when eyeing a bit of this 'cottage industries finest' it do come to mind.

not trying to shoot down one man, or small business makers products what so ever, just pointing out facts associated with the human condition, on both sides of the coin.

I've bought things from exactly these kinds of makers and will again I'm sure.

add in one last bit... the bigger and heavier the things are, and with speakers there are always two of them, and most pricey speakers are pretty large and quite heavy, well.... then there's shipping worries.

being mostly optomistic I'd probably be willing to drop a large bit on what ever I felt was well built as said, but that's just me. it would not keep me from worrying .
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I think that Price range includes many great speakers, it will come down to taste and what you can find. 
It was a long time since I heard the JBL K2 S9900 but they were good and horn based.

 I like Focal and the Scala Utopia Evo is in the Price range. I haven't heard them play rock but think they can handle that.

Someone mentioned Persona 9F, I have heard the 7F with sub and they seemed like a good rock speaker. Or the Kef Blade.

The Kii Three with bass towers should work great as well. Said to go down to 12 Hz.
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I agree I could have made my point in a much more easily digestible way, but for the record, it was far from sweeping. In fact it on covered 3 brands.

These are the speaker brands the OP mentioned:

Another pair of JBL 4367
Wilson Sasha DAW or Alexia Series 2
Avantgarde Acoustics Duo XD or possibly Duo Mezzo
Magico S5MKII

If you include amps he mentions:
McIntosh, Spectral, Pass

In terms of the sweeping statement of dinosaurs sucking up a lot of the spotlight/ visibility in the industry... it is admittedly an observation made without profound research, just a bunch of years of reading, observing and talking with stereo store owners. I feel I’ve discovered this opinion honestly argued, frequently enough, not to feel crazy in sharing it myself. YMMV. It gets compounded with a bit of venom, when, in my admittedly limited experience (I’m just an enthusiast) I have never heard a setup from these “well-established” companies that really provoked my interest musically or in terms of SQ. Again, YMMV.

In terms of McIntosh or Wilson or Avant Garde being relevant to the leading-edge conversation in their respective segments... well that’s the provocative part... in the most genuine sense of the word... I was hoping to provoke a conversation (relevant to a rare post about the $50-60k price point in speakers where much leading edge design (vs trickle down) starts to be affordable) about how we value brands, support brands, and who in the industry is doing the heavy lifting re: pushing forward SQ these days in speakers.

i look at companies like Vivid, Voxativ, deVore, Rockport, Tidal, Vandersteen versus Wilson and JBL,  or (Yes, Exactly!!) insert your favorite innovative “Quirky Horn Speaker” manufacturer here (mine is TotalDAC) versus AG.  I wanna root for the underdog brands every time because of the really interesting work they are doing.... and the passionate responses I’ve had to the musicality of their products.

I agree with @blindjim that one of the best things that the bigger players offer is (at least the appearance of) long-term value/support/reliability...

....but the only way these more fledgling companies can get to that level of stability is if we support them for their innovations, and SQ.

i argue for taking a bit of risk for the sake of a more passionate relationship to the products you use (even if you might not be able to hand them down to your grandchildren) and for supporting the brands that are pushing the envelope a bit further for all of us. Quality and longevity are often to be found in this place in spades, outside the top line industry brand names.

enjoy the music