Comments on the Audion Black Shadow 845?

I have spoken to other audiophiles who have had experience with the elite 3 box and the old black shadow. Their findings were that they could not distinguish a benefit between the two. I am of the approach that everything should be tested for oneself but this comment is a place to start.

I would venture to say both are about in the same league. The shadow takes up less shelf space, which is one thing to take into account.

The shadow was a successful design. It has a cool name too. If Graeme at Audion is reintroducing it i imagine he will introduce it to be at least the equal , if not better than the old version.

I think the way to think about these amps is partly by the tube utilized as well as the fact that they run single ended. Think, integrity of signal multiplied by the gutsyness and the linearity of the 845 tube and you have a foundation for beginning to understand what these amps will sound like.

I own the elite 3 box with a output transformer wound in silver.

In the context of the rest of my set up, I hear this amp as extremely tonally rich, strong, fast, robust, utterly transparent, timbrally superb and clear.

To my ears this amp is all about transparency and purity of tone.

All these qualities wont be heard if you have other components that lack similar qualities. For example if you have a dark speaker it cant make it sound clear and uncolored even though the amp itself is that! The more neutral and clear the rest of the system the better the system will sound with this amp.

Generally speaking their 845 amp will be a more linear presentation and probably suited better for rock and the audion golden dream 300b for jazzlike music. Though both will play all genres well.

I'd really like to own their fully loaded 300B for awhile, it is the pinnacle of Audions amplifiers as i have heard it plays all musical genres WONDERFULLY.

These single ended amps dont suffer from the typical problems of the wimpy bass of regular single ended tube topologies.

The elite is not a dark amp. It is a clear amp.

If you prefer a 300B set then their golden dream is a very good candidate for being your last 300b amp.

As i write this i am trying to be very objective and not spit out a whole bunch wild statements, so i'm sure my thoughts on these amps sounds a bit flat but really i am excited about these amps and think they are quite amazing and impressive but i am trying to be responsible about my comments.

For example, I dont think it an overstatement to say that these two amps are solid nominations for being some of the best if not the best 845 and 300B amps out there.

I own the Audion elites and i have to ask myself the hard question. How much more can i expect from an amp? Where can i go from here? and will i really gain much more if anything?

There is however no substitute for audition and ownership and for a well put together system.

If you like tubes, if you like good bass, if you like plenty of tone and transparency I can see you really liking Audion elite and the golden dream.

PS

How will the 845 tube and 300B tube differ in sound?

For the most part, the 845 will have a subjective 'sense' of sounding more robust and provide a more objective linear presentation. I highly recommend the humble 845b tube. It has the kind of warmth that you will appreciate and like with plenty of soundstaging and air. This will not be a cold, flatfield, clinical presentation in the elites, rather its polar opposite.

The 300B Golden dream, partly because of the 300B tube, by contrast will have a little more bloom, a little more liquidity, a little more lushness and beauty but not to the point of it being a fault. I have spoken to golden dream owners about this and am just passing on what i belive to know about this amp. I have heard 300b tube amps too. So, the golden dream because of the above and compared to the 845 tube will be in my estimation a very seductive and sensual attractive offering with amazing bass and resolution too.

Without actually owning the golden dream and auditioning it in my home for a couple months I cant say definitively one way or the other if i would prefer it over the elites.

The fine differences have to be experienced and compared to do that. I might very well prefer its 'persuasions' over the elites. My inkling is that i would probably prefer the golden dream as 'the best' of the two. Its sound must be very beguiling.

I would love to kiss both scarlett johanssen OR Megan fox. Either would be just fine with me.

My elite 3 box often gives me the feeling that i am listening to 'nothing!' That is, they are very good at getting out of the way and fooling you very well that there is no sonic signature to them. You have to struggle hard to try and find something fake about their reproduction. I say this with the qualification that i am listening to them with virtuosos and the jan allaerts mc 1bmk2, the breuer tonearm and the audion quattro with all amperex white label pq shields. These and other things in the system which are champions at, neutrality, musicality and clarity are all contributing to my perception of the amp so, you have to match this amp with items of good calibre to understand this.

Some blanket statements: The manley stingray was quieter but darker and slightly opaque RELATIVE to this amp. The classe cap 80 was cold, hashy and mechanical RELATIVE to this amp. The marantz 2270 was highly colored and syrupy RELATIVE to this amp.

The quattro and elite have to be heard with good tubes to really see what they are capable of. I think its important to remember that before passing final judgment on them. I have heard the quattro with plain jane tubes and with great tubes. It sounded unoriginal with plain jane tubes and then stellar with great tubes.

Update: If you've read the above already i'd like to add comments to the the kr845/chinese 845B comparison. One of the many challenges in "hi end" audio is to try and get all the best attributes to happen, all at once and without any negative effects. This is a daunting task. After longer listening, i feel the kr845 is overall the winner in this regard. It displays a more seasoned and mature sound than the 845B, though the 845B is still a great little tube.

Its a toss up between the KR845 and the thrifty Chinese 845B tube.

Briefly, the KR845 to my ears is..."bloomy/lushlike like a 300b but still has the "linearity" of a 845? Giving great "flow/expressiveness/articulation" to the music which has to be heard to be understood, these qualities distinguishes it from the chinese 845B. Which presents details with a bit less thrill?.The Kr845 in my system is very "4th row experience". Depending on what side a system falls on...it may come across as a bit "cool"? relative to the cozily warm colorful 845B. The KR845 has a wider dynamic range and more expressive upfront dynamics. This was my experience in my system. Both tubes are great and i would give either 4.5 stars out of five for a success of design and musical execution. If the KR845 was fused with the warmth of a 845b it would be stupendous!!!. Both have their virtues and their weaknesses, nevertheless both great tubes.