DAC Confusion


Just picked up a used Bluesound N100 at a local HiFi store in my parts that was listed here. Mentioned to the sales guy that I am starting fresh with a new system and need amplification. He suggested an integrated amp with a built-in DAC (NAD 368). Here’s my question: aside from the relative merits of that NAD unit, why would I need a built-in DAC when the N100 has its own DAC? He claimed the NAD DAC is superior to the one in the N100 and thus worth the extra $ I’d be paying compared with an integrated without a DAC. Hmmmm.... really? I know there can be qualitative, significant differences in performance between DACs, but between the one in the NAD 368 vs the N100? I’m a bit skeptical, and he didn’t seem too eager to let me do a listening test.

Bottom line, I gotta buy an integrated and my shelf space (and budget) is a bit tight, so if I’m gonna go the “Swiss army knife” route (to borrow a phrase from a related thread), it’s gonna be for a built-in phono stage for my LPs, not a redundant built-in DAC.

BTW, this will be driving a pair of efficient bookshelf speakers so I don’t need a ton of power. Of course, I mentioned that to the sales guy and he argued that I should buy as much power now as I could afford, to “future-proof” my purchase in case I decide to upgrade to more difficult-to-drive speakers later on. 

That’s when I left the store ;)

Sorry for the long-winded post. I’m a newbie and my head is spinning a bit over all of this.


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Those Marantz models are on my short list, so glad to hear they’re well-regarded. I do think the N100 DAC will suit me fine until I’m ready to upgrade to a separate DAC, so that’s probably going to be the plan. Will keep y’all posted when I finally make a decision and get this system up and running. Thanks! 
Sprout 100 and the new version of the NAD 3020 also on my list. I used to follow audiophilia years ago before I left it for other obsessions and at the time lusted after P$$$ Audio gear. The idea that I can now get a PS Audio integrated for budget audiophile dollars is kind of amazing. As for the new NAD my only hesitation is the somewhat difficult onboard controls, which got sort of slammed in some reviews for poor touch responsiveness. My wife has to use this system so (sorry for the borderline sexism) it has to be easy to use. Have they improved that at all in the latest version of the NAD amp? I guess the remote is an easier backup...
Thanks Uberwaltz, all good points. But stop the presses! Peachtree Audio Nova 220SE on auction site for $500+ and counting. At 220 watts, this could be the last amp I ever need, setting me up for future upgrade to more demanding floorstanding speakers. It doesn’t have a phono stage but that can be had for not much of an added investment.

I will be watching this auction closely. Gotta figure it’s at least worth the $600 I’d spend on the PS Audio and probably a bit more than that for the MUCH more powerful amp stage....
Uberwaltz, do you use that Sonos internal dock? Just curious how that works with your system. 
I lost out on the last Peachtree I bidded for (220SE), so the search continues. Although they do sell direct and the Sky is available on sale. (220SE was probably overkill for me anyway.) decisions, decisions...
Well, I kind of went against the no-DAC integrated amp argument and got a NAD C328, couldn’t resist a great open-box sale at local audio store. I can switch back and forth between toslink, which will use the DAC in the NAD, I believe, and RCA cables, which will
use the DAC in the N100, to see if I can tell a difference between the two. (Do I have that right?)

A new question: sales person in audio store denigrated Toslink as an inferior cable format for sending audio signals. He said he’d opt for high-quality RCA cables as preferred way to hook up the N100 (which only has toslink and RCA, no coaxial) to the NAD. Of course he wants to sell me either AudioQuest ($75) or Kimber Cable RCAs ($149), which is kind of steep (to me) but he said worth the outlay for the superior sound they’d yield compared with cheap cables.

So, RCA versus Toslink in this setup? Worth the money for the cables he’s suggesting?

thanks!