Does anyone out there NOT hear a difference in CD


Players? I am tossing around the idea of replacing my Pioneer Elite PD-65 with a Cambridge Audio 840c, but only if their is a CLEAR improvement. In the past I have had a difficult time hearing a noticeable difference in CD players from cheap ones to higher mid-fi ones.
fruff1976

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I agree with Fluff1976.

The PD-65 makes a very good transport. You might hear benefits by using an outboard DAC. This is where I'd suggest investing your digital dollars.
As my system progressed in resolution, differences in CD players, interconnects, power cords and speaker cables all became significant.

System resolution is the key to detecting differences in any element in the chain.

05-27-08: Chadnliz
...in reality it is very subtle to not even detectable far too often.
Reality is defined by system resolution.

The reality is that each listener will have a different idea of what is detectable since his/her system's resolution will differ from others.

Until system resolution is increased, differences in sources will be subtle, if undetectable.

Here's an example. Until yesterday, I was considering selling my MP-1 preamp. Not enough midrange and bass weight...yada, yada, yada. Then, I swapped in a new power cord on my digital source (APL Denon 3910). Whoa. The midrange and bass returned in spades. One power cord swap made all the difference, and it was not subtle. If my system was less resolving, I doubt I would have had any issue with the MP-1 to start...let alone heard a difference in a power cord swap on my digital source.

Please understand I am not criticizing anyone's system. I only know from my experience how perception changes as equipment changes. I completely understand why someone would say changing digital sources would not make much difference, and I suspect this is true for the OP, but this observation cannot be generalized to all systems or system elements.

(donning the Nomex now...)
Steve Nugent of Empirical Audio thought highly enough of the PD-65 as a transport to offer mods on it (click on Component Mods>Transport Mods for details).

Empirical Audio does not offer PD-65 mods any longer, but that doesn't negate the fact that it's a good basic transport. Add a nice $1000 (or less) DAC. You'll be ahead of the Cambridge.

You can always use the new DAC with your next, better transport.

Incremental upgrades. Improves sound. Saves bucks.
DACs have advanced since the early 90s (as have all-in-one CD players). Better, more resolving chipsets is one reason.

If you want to give the Cambridge a try, why not watch for a used one to come up for sale and buy it? You can often buy-and-try used gear, and re-sell if you don't notice an improvement over the PD-65, without losing too much money in the process.
No suggestion has been made to mod the PD-65. I offered the Empirical Audio PD-65 mod as an illustration that Steve Nugent thought the PD-65's stable platter transport worthy of taking to a higher level (basically by improving the power supply/delivery). I would not recommend modding the PD-65, and I have no idea if anyone even offers a PD-65 mod anymore. However, the PD-65 remains a good, solid transport in stock form.

If the OP insists on changing CD players, I definitely would recommend buying a used rather than new CD player. Silver discs are going the way of the Dodo, and buying a new silver disc player seems a waste of money to me, unless the peace of mind provided by a warranty is worth the extra cost of buying new.

Heck, buy a used (or new) stock OPPO. Give it a shot. The classifieds are full of them. Pretty inexpensive experiment, IMO.

You won't know until you compare in your own system with your own ears.