This is the conclusion of the convoluted events that occurred just the other day involving "In a Silent Way"
in 1969 "Fusion" wasn't even considered jazz, consequently, I bought it by mistake, as many of Miles fans did. It got on my "playlist" not too long ago when I archived Vinyl to "hard drive". Although I have owned that record for many years, it just didn't fall into the category of records to be played.
It's incredible how much an individual's taste can change in almost 40 years. It got on my "playlist" because it was a vinyl album in exquisite shape because it hadn't been played much, it was a good candidate for archiving.
Some people make a playlist for a day, my playlist consists of all my favorite records, the only order it has is going from one decade to the next. My days consisted of trying to find something productive to do, (now I can barely take care of necessities) while the music played in the background.
Each time the music came up (In a Silent Way) I liked it, but didn't know what it was; not until I descended Mt. Everest, guess you get the picture now.
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Alex, jazz is the only music that springs from the heart and soul into the realm of the living where we can hear it. Jazz as you and I know it, is an expression of the emotions, the life and experiences of African Americans in the cities of the United States of America, as they went through the daily struggles required to survive. While that most certainly is not the complete picture, it is the essence of the music. Bobby Timmons captures the core of what I'm talking about in his music, which is why it was so popular when presented, and is still recorded by many artists. "Moanin", "This Here" and "Dat Dere" were on juke boxes in the 60's, and still remains popular. Of course it's possible "intellectually" to produce good jazz, but regardless how good it sounds, it lacks "soul"; that's a word which starts arguments, but the arguments are raised by those who are lacking that missing ingredient which can not be acquired. The reason so many artists record "Moanin" is because when you hear the music, you can feel the emotion of the story behind it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv9NSR-2DwMMy favorite version with Bobby and the Messengers; Lee Morgan blows his a-- off; this is the ultimate version, Benny Golson never sounded better. While there is a ton of good jazz in my collection that lacks "soul", it is still what projects the most intense human emotions. |
Alex you presented this album, and I bought it; this album projects the mood and feel of these places (63rd and Cottage Grove, 45th and Calumet, La Salle street) when I was a teenager exploring them. This is the power of music; John Wright projected these streets in his music so well, that you could re-experience strolling down them once again; they were among the the hippest streets in Chicago, but now, they only exist in the memories of people who lived there at that time, and enjoyed life as it was lived on those streets. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=john+wright+south+side+soulThe comments below this concur with my thoughts about this album, and that part of Chicago at that time. |
Inna, since I don't speak French, I could only go by the picture; why don't you explain it? |
It's astounding, that out of all the great jazz trumpet players, Lee Morgan edges out as number one.
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Easy Payments, "Bean Bags" is one of the best jazz albums of all times; I'm glad you're enjoying it.
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Inna, it started out good, but became monotonous before the end; it needed more variation on the theme. I thought it was Lisa Gerrard until I realized the difference; more melodious.
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"Mas Que Nada", a song popularized by "Brazil 66" takes me back to my youth; while this is a different version, I can dig it; just think, I was about the age of those young ladies when that came out; at this moment I'm right there with them. Those were the days my friend why did they have to end, but such is the way of life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7ToiJ5Q9o |
Inna, speaking of keeping a grip on audio funds, I have been debating for the longest whether or not to get my CJ PV-12 repaired (a new transformer); I can live quite well without it, but I would like to hear it again. So far it’s thumbs down.
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Now that you mention it, Don Ellis hasn't been played; this is boss, I like that driving big band sound, reminds me of Gerry Mulligan's big band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-oHEPPiNjYIt's for sure I'm going to have to add Don Ellis, I don't have him. There is so much new (old) music that I want to add; the bottom line is which I like the best, new or old. I have never heard either one of those tunes, and both are 5 star; live at Monterey is really smoking. The vibe that's surrounding the musicians can make a huge difference; when the crowd gets into the music, the musicians really get energized. |
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nsp, I have several DVD's of Fela, they are very entertaining. The owner of Vintage Vinyl records introduced me to Fela quite some time ago. Fela was a revolutionary on a continent, in a country where revolutionaries lived very short lives. I say live for a cause, because you're going to die just because........ While the classical jazz in this country can not be replaced, many of the records we discuss have been replaced numerous times in my collection, plus I bought them new beginning in 59; now I need something new, but new music from here just doesn't cut it for me; jazz from other countries is fresher. That's because what they call new jazz here is an imitation of old jazz, or free flowing chaos. While this is an imitation of "Fela"; it's such a good imitation and the people are different, not to mention the Spanish infusion, plus I like the way she shakes her hips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embxt0jQ8f4"To Thine Own Self Be True" |
I like this mostly because of that universal "Jamaican back beat"; it reminds me of time spent on the Island of Jamaica. I like to share my experiences with you; if this is self indulgent, tell me. This was in the early 70's, and I wanted to get the full Jamaican experience according to what I had read, so I went alone; this wasn't that cruise ship thing, but weeks on the island. It began just like my lifelong fantasy; beautiful Island lady making eyes at me under palm trees and incredible Caribbean star studded nights. Am I dreaming? If so, may I never wake up. My dream went on for days,it had me in the clouds; that is until I detected a posse that seemed to be following with disapproval. When ever you go to a foreign country, there are unwritten rules that don't appear in the travel brochures; don't break them; but how can you follow them if you don't know they exist? Those were the best of times; my lifelong fantasy; palm trees, star studded Caribbean skies, plus that bonus that no fantasy can be without, you got it; and the worst of times; breaking out in a cold sweat from fear was not good; time to go home. After I boarded the plane, I kept looking behind me to see if the posse had boarded to. I could have kissed the ground Miami sits on when we landed. Nevertheless, I lived my fantasy, and that Jamaican back beat brings it all back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDLCmMV68lE |
This is the best time ever to be a "Jazz Aficionado"; I say that because we can move back and forth in time with our PC as though it was a time machine.
In high school, there was a heated discussion about trumpet players; this must have been shortly after Clifford Browns death, and he was who I chose as my favorite trumpet. Another astute jazz fan chose "Kenny Dorham"; he was so adamant, that I wondered if I might not be wrong. What made matters worse was I didn't even know who Kenny Dorham was. I bluffed my side of the argument anyway.
That was a long time ago, but I never forgot bluffing in an argument about an artist I knew nothing about. At last, with my PC, I can explore and find out what Kenny Dorham was all about.
Maybe there is a jazz artist you want to know more about, now is the time.
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Ghosthouse, that was the best version of "My Favorite Things" I have ever heard.
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Pryso, nothing like Miles, but I liked it.
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Sons of Kemet- "My Queen Is Harriet Tubman" is boss; I can't quite find a camp or category to put it in, and that's good, it means it's original.
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So many people say "African Music"; there is no such thing. You have so many countries on the continent of "Africa" and they are all unique. Before slavery, there were many villages with their own rhythms. Big powerful countries like Nigeria captured and sold them to the "Americas"; consequently those rhythms no longer exist in Africa but over here. Slavery in the USA beat the African out of the slaves; consequently, I don't hear anything from that continent. They had to re-invent themselves, ergo jazz and blues. If you have keen ears, you will hear African rhythms that exist in Brazil, but not in Africa. Brazilian artists have incorporated them into their music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPuQWg_A8QHear that beat, that rhythm, it's African, but you won't hear it in African music from that continent; the people who like and display that rhythm were brought to Brazil. It's unique to the slaves who fled to a Brazilian high plateau and named it "Palmare" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmares_(quilombo)The Haitian music is primarily from "Dahomey"; since Dahomey was involved in the slave trade, not many slaves from Dahomey; only those sentenced to slavery for crimes; but it was a port of exit, and also the primary exponent of "Voodoo". There is very little authentic recorded Haitian "Voodoo music"; you have to go there to hear it. The music is so incorporated into Haitian Society, that kids can play it with a rock in each hand, beating out rhythms on a steel shovel that has been abandoned by the side of a roadway in progress. Some beat out the rhythms while others dance as though their bodies have no bones; it's truly hypnotic; nothing can stop children from enjoying life; what a blessing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTBbC3cMaZgThis is Cuban "Voodoo"; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg1mb6CXDDUI find it amazing that the best African music exists in the Americas. |
Inna, everyone who listens to Brazilian, Cuban, or Afro Cuban jazz explores Sub Saharan rhythms.
Music is not a zebra, or an elephant; it has no habitat, it exists in the minds of people.
I was speaking specifically of the rhythms that came from Africa, primarily the drum rhythms. African American musicians had to go to Africa to discover them. I did not say back to Africa because they had never been to Africa in the first place; they were descendants of slaves who had been brought to America involuntarily in slave ships.
While they brought the drum rhythms with them, they were forbidden drums because the slavers said they used them to communicate, and I can't give any examples of Sub Saharan drums in early African American music, but they exist in Cuban, Brazilian, Haitian, and other South American music; there must be a reason.
"Daily interactions with white people. Not all slave owners were bad or mostly bad, but interaction even with bad can give a lot."
Slaves lived on plantations in Mississippi and other Southern States, what daily interactions with white people, the one's with the whips.
I'm sure you can give plenty examples of "good slave owners'".
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Inna, we have had some brilliant people to come and go; this thread is fortunate that the Frogman has stayed. |
Inna, what you found is downright erotic and sensual, although the music is not as good as it could be; after all, you and I are "audiophiles" and more critical in regard to such things; this music is what we live.
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If I don’t respond to someone like Sonny Rollins, it’s because I’ve been listening to him for all of my adult life, and still listen to him intently; what is there to say?
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Alex, could you post that album with a picture on the cover that was taken from a Chicago rail road yard at night?
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Inna, maybe it was the recording quality; since I upgraded the analog, I have gotten quite picky; one must listen intently to what one has paid for, whether one can afford it or not. |
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Alex, believe it or not, where that photograph was tken was probably one of the safest places in Chicago to observe the skyline and discuss the meaning of life with a friend over a bottle of wine.
"Misty night" The King Flemming Trio, is a must have but very little is available. I will look into an LP for $29.
Thank you.
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pjw, Salvador Bahia is a city I've often wanted to visit, it has the most fascinating culture in Brazil, plus "Bahia" is my favorite song. I notice the state of Salvador is next to the state of Alagoas, where Palmares was located; that was where escaped slaves established a colony that lasted for 90 years. I saw a movie entitled "Quilombo" about Palmares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_cSBjNP72o"Dandara" a female warrior was the most interesting character in the movie, you will hear her name in songs. |
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This is one of the few times that I concur with the Frogman almost 100%. As you already know Rok, I detest stylists who do vocal gymnastics when they are totally uncalled for, and on the wrong song. While Frogman chose the right artist, as she stated, she had a cold; this version would have been better; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCF0Fbq5-TcThat version is so beautiful that it takes me back in time to when it was recorded, and I bought it; plus I had this dream where that was playing all the way through the dream, while I was entertaining the girl of my dreams. I woke up and tried to go back to sleep in order to pick up where the dream left off. (didn't work like that) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iB_8k4hb9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE0WDHha6-w |
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I recall, a long time ago, talking to my co-worker, a young handsome gent, who told me he met a lady from New Orleans at a party, and fell instantly in love. He was about to get married when the spell wore off, and he discovered she was uglier than "home made sin" as he put it.
Was she a descendant of Marie Laveau?
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Frogman, you could have saved that post; although it makes it quite evident as to why aficionados have preferred my musical submissions to yours over the years.
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Frogman, you seem to have a problem with "nuance" and feel; that is something I can not put into words. The public, the people who buy records decided on the "Misty" I presented a long time ago; that's the standard by which other vocal versions are judged. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-JgK9h_MUConducted by Quincy Jones and His Orchestra with Zoot Sims on Saxaphone, "Misty" is a jazz standard written in 1954 by the pianist Erroll Garner. Originally composed as an instrumental following the traditional 32-bar format, the tune later had lyrics by Johnny Burke and became the signature song of Johnny Mathis. This song is from the album "Vaughan and Violins". Sarah's accompanied Quincy Jones & His Orchestra: Marcel Hrasko (alto saxophone), Jo Hrasko &William Boucaya (baritone saxophone), Richard Davis (bass), Kenny Clark (drums), Ronnel Bright (piano), Zoot Sims (tenor saxophone), and Michel Hausser (vibraphone). Recorded in Paris, France July 7, 1958. (Mercury Records) Look at me I'm as helpless as a kitten up a tree And I feel like I'm clinging to a cloud I can't understand I get misty just holding your hand Walk my way And a thousand violins begin to play Or it might be the sound of your hello That music I hear I get misty the moment you're near You can say that you're leading me on But it's just what I want you to do Don't you notice how hopelessly I'm lost That's why I'm following you On my own Would I wander through this wonderland alone Never knowing my right foot from my left My hat from my glove I'm too misty and too much in love I'm just too misty and too much in love It's absolutely impossible for a trio to compete with that musical lineup. |
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"Misty" is a jazz standard written in 1954 by the pianist Erroll Garner. Originally composed as an instrumental following the traditional 32-bar format, the tune later had lyrics by Johnny Burke and became the signature song of Johnny Mathis. The song I presented is from the album "Vaughan and Violins". "Listen", "Listen" "Listen"; can you hear; did you hear the "romanticism" in Erroll Garner's piano; he wrote the tune, that's the way it's supposed to sound. Why don't we see what Mr. Mathis has to offer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1Fqi7JiQQThat version leaves me breathless from all the memories it brings back. |
Frogman, this is not about words but music, specifically whether or not the trio is better than "Vaughn with Violins".
I apologize for any words I used that offended you. Now the bottom line requires few words; which one is better, the trio, or "Vaughn with Violins"?
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Pryso, I agree wholeheartedly; and he is always fresh and new, never redundant.
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Conducted by Quincy Jones and His Orchestra with Zoot Sims on Saxaphone, "Misty" is a jazz standard written in 1954 by the pianist Erroll Garner. Originally composed as an instrumental following the traditional 32-bar format, the tune later had lyrics by Johnny Burke and became the signature song of Johnny Mathis. This song is from the album "Vaughan and Violins".
Sarah's accompanied Quincy Jones & His Orchestra: Marcel Hrasko (alto saxophone), Jo Hrasko &William Boucaya (baritone saxophone), Richard Davis (bass), Kenny Clark (drums), Ronnel Bright (piano), Zoot Sims (tenor saxophone), and Michel Hausser (vibraphone). Recorded in Paris, France July 7, 1958. (Mercury Records)
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This is the music I don't have in my collection; "LA Hard" is what they called it, but I can still hear EL A, and it's pretty, like a West Coast Sunset. I recall when I was out there in the 70's of hearing artists I never heard of who were as good as those in my record collection. "Who wants to leave EL A, I was told at that time, this is where a good musician can make a living without going on the road". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmyV8aY9Um8"LA "HARD" is a satisfying concoction. |
"That studio sound"; is that the sound of the golden standard, the one that Sarah her self considers her best. Is that the sound of some of the most incredible musicians to ever back a vocalist?
Quincy Jones, Kenny Clark, and Zoot Sims, a few of the greatest jazz musicians of our time backed Sarah on that session. Why do you keep trying to denigrate that session with this "Studio sound crap"?
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"Well, O-10, no sense breaking the streak; since you want to keep track. The live Sarah/“Misty” wins hands down in my book."
When you stated that, you threw the gauntlet down, and it was my duty to respond.
"The studio version...just that. Studio produced; faster, with A LOT of “sweetening”, less intimate. A bit Muzak(ish); what some refer to as elevator music. Different performance environments and as always, she knows the tape is rolling."
And then you went on to call it "Elevator music"; if that's not denigrating I'd like to know what is?
Who are these "many others"? Sounds like a tactic for dragging others into your lame argument.
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Yes, I am upset; I'm upset with the idea that anyone on this thread should exhibit such poor taste, as to choose that trio over the gold standard.
This is not a matter of preference; this over that, but it's a matter of one thing being clearly superior to another. This must be a joke you're playing on me, that's it, isn't it Frogman; because I can not believe that after everything was pointed out, and even after Sarah herself referred to that version as her best, you would stick to this "studio sound, elevator music thing".
While we all have different preferences, when the quality of one thing is so superior to the quality of another, and an aficionado chooses the wrong one, that's disheartening; I'm in the wrong room; it's about good taste in this room, and there are times when it's as apparent as the nose on your face.
Tell me this is a joke Frogman.
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