O-10, the last thing I want you to do is lie about any of this; your honesty is far more interesting. "Obsession": please allow me to remind you that it was you who wanted to go into fusion "in depth". Once again the problem is that there is no grasp of just how deep this stuff (any music) runs and you talk about it as if you do grasp it.
Rok, I expected better from you. From the standpoint of logic alone, since it was I who pointed out to you what you describe about one soloist picking up where the other left off, something I did because you were not capable of hearing (recognizing) it for yourself, does it not follow that you should perhaps, just perhaps, give some (just a tinzy wins y bit) of credence to what I am now saying about this music? Makes sense to me. Now, let’s put logic aside and let’s look at the facts of the matter:
A soloist picking up where the other left off was an example of just ONE solo in that JALC example. It is ONE way that a soloist can start a solo, and a good and interesting way, but NOT the only way. If that were the only valid way then you can go ahead and deem about 90% of the "jazz-jazz" solos posted in this thread as bs; not a reasonable proposition, I am sure you would agree. The majority of great solos don’t do that. Now, the really good stuff:
The reason that you didn’t hear that particular solo technique (and, yes, it IS the dreaded "technique") in the Corea music, and assuming your perception abilities have increased dramatically since the JALC clip was posted (if so, you’re very welcome, btw) is that in the Chick Corea music most of the music is "through-composed" (Wiki, look it up). That is what I meant when I said that the music should be approached like a symphony. Much of what you hear in that music is not improvised; it is part of the composition and within the framework of that composition there is room for improvised solos. In that way, it is like Duke’s jazz suites with "movements" within which and between which the soloists improvise. The soloists don’t follow each other in the more typical and simpler way, so there would be no opportunity for the soloists to even do what you point to. Apparently you thought that what was part of the composition was soloing. Now, the REALLY important stuff:
Sadly, not much new. Wholesale panning of an entire genre that, obviously, many on his thread find value in; and, instead of simply expressing dislike it is put down in insulting ways. Nice.
And btw, Johnny Dodds, Dexter, Martial Solal (!!) and others as well and nary a peep. Go figure.
1977 coming up.
Rok, I expected better from you. From the standpoint of logic alone, since it was I who pointed out to you what you describe about one soloist picking up where the other left off, something I did because you were not capable of hearing (recognizing) it for yourself, does it not follow that you should perhaps, just perhaps, give some (just a tinzy wins y bit) of credence to what I am now saying about this music? Makes sense to me. Now, let’s put logic aside and let’s look at the facts of the matter:
A soloist picking up where the other left off was an example of just ONE solo in that JALC example. It is ONE way that a soloist can start a solo, and a good and interesting way, but NOT the only way. If that were the only valid way then you can go ahead and deem about 90% of the "jazz-jazz" solos posted in this thread as bs; not a reasonable proposition, I am sure you would agree. The majority of great solos don’t do that. Now, the really good stuff:
The reason that you didn’t hear that particular solo technique (and, yes, it IS the dreaded "technique") in the Corea music, and assuming your perception abilities have increased dramatically since the JALC clip was posted (if so, you’re very welcome, btw) is that in the Chick Corea music most of the music is "through-composed" (Wiki, look it up). That is what I meant when I said that the music should be approached like a symphony. Much of what you hear in that music is not improvised; it is part of the composition and within the framework of that composition there is room for improvised solos. In that way, it is like Duke’s jazz suites with "movements" within which and between which the soloists improvise. The soloists don’t follow each other in the more typical and simpler way, so there would be no opportunity for the soloists to even do what you point to. Apparently you thought that what was part of the composition was soloing. Now, the REALLY important stuff:
Sadly, not much new. Wholesale panning of an entire genre that, obviously, many on his thread find value in; and, instead of simply expressing dislike it is put down in insulting ways. Nice.
And btw, Johnny Dodds, Dexter, Martial Solal (!!) and others as well and nary a peep. Go figure.
1977 coming up.