Frogman, your allegations against me have revolved around the same thing and they are always true, and first I'll reveal why they are true.
When I began this thread, "Jazz For Aficionados" sounded like a nice title; now I are an "Aficionado" (that was a bit of humor). When one can hear into the center of the soul of the music we call jazz, that is when one is an "Aficionado". I'll give you a very specific example. "Heavy Soul" is an album that has been out since 63; that's when I bought it.
The album didn't get much mention initially, but like a snowball rolling down a hill, it gathered more flakes of snow, and now it's quite prominent among "Aficionados"; oh! there's that word again.
When I heard the depths of emotion emanating from all the musicians on that album, I knew they were saying something that went beyond the music.
"Grant Green", you remember him, his album "Idle Moments" didn't become popular until long after it was out. I heard the often spoke about soul in Joe Henderson's solo on "Idle Moments" long before others. I could go on and on, but now I think you are getting my drift as to why I am considered an "Aficionado".
Although this does not apply to our current debate, it does apply to the debate that is raging underneath.
Enjoy the music.