Longer speaker cables or interconnects


I have a feeling that this may be a topic that has already been discussed to death, but the only thread I’ve found so far is one at Stereophile.

I will I’ll be moving into my new home with a new semi dedicated semi anechoic listening room, and I am just realizing now that maybe the 25 ft speaker cable runs vs the 3 to 4 ft interconnect runs that I was used to in my old NYC loft for decades is maybe not the optimal ratio.

I presume that that I don’t want a long interconnect between the turntable and the preamp.

I’m looking for various points of views and justifications for them. Remember, one caveat is that I’m the kind of guy who will spend only a moderate amount of dollars for interconnects and speaker cable. Thank you all.
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Keep the long speaker cables and short interconnects. Amps have a low, low output impedance and output high level signals which are not affected by interference (well, unless the amp has a design issue).

Over and out :)
According to some literature when I researched this topic, the total resistance of the wire should be less than 5% of the nominal impedance of the speakers. Of course, the speaker impedance can dip well below the "nominal" value at certain frequencies so the safer bet is more like 2-3% depending on the impedance curve. Furthermore, the amplifiers with multiple speaker impedance taps, e.g., 8, 4, 2 ohms, etc., tend to have a different damping factor (output impedance) for each tap. So sometimes it might be worth to experiment with the different taps, especially when running long cables, to decide which sounds better. For example, my MC2200 manual lists the following damping factor values:
DF 16 for 1 ohm
DF 50 for 2 ohm
DF 30 for 4 ohm
DF 16 for 8 ohm

In my set up where I need to run very long speaker cables (true bi-wire 12awg), I get an overall better SQ when I use the 4 ohm tab for my 6 ohm speakers but at the expense of a narrower/deeper soundstage when compared to the 8 ohm tap. Interestingly, the 2 ohm tap has a slightly fuller sound but it compresses the soundstage even more considerably. My 2 cents FWIW. 

I have my equipment in a different room from my speakers to eliminate some turntable feedback issues. Have used 25 foot lengths of speaker cable with very fine results. Not expensive cables either, MITerminator 2. Excellent bass and slam on my Revel Performa 206's!
Kalili,

My speakers are 16 ohm and 101dB efficiency. My Dyna MK III have 4, 8, and 16 taps but the Futtermans do not. When I had the 604Cs rebuilt by Gabriel Sound, I had the option of keeping them at 16 or switching them to 8. Jon Specter, my engineer, said to absolutely keep them at 16.

It looks like I will be staying with my current configuration: long speaker cables, short interconnects.

Paulrandall,

Putting the table in a different room is an intriguingly OCD idea (let’s face it, to have this hobby, we all have to have a little OCD), but as there is only one room on this floor, not an option unless I put it out the window. It might be a little tricky changing LPs from three stories up. And then what happens on a windy day?

But that brings up something else I was recently considering.

Before, I had the table sitting on top of a record cabinet that I had bolted to the 16 inch thick brick wall in my nyc loft. I was going to bolt it to the 24 inch thick (non functioning) chimney in this space. However, my masonry guy used a five foot L-shaped steel plate to stabilize masonry on another building of ours and I got the idea of having him bolt an L-shaped steel plate to the chimney that was large enough to rest the table on. The steel is very thick. Question is: what would that sound like?

I don’t use VPI’s springs between the chassis and the base btw: I use little rubber balls.
cd318:

The Velvets and the Fugs both came out of an underground East Village / Brooklyn scene that was closely tied to the beat poetry of Jack Kerouac and to the lesser known but maybe more important poet Allan Ginsburg. Ginsberg hung out at Max’s along with Tuli Kupferburg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuli_Kupferberg. of the Fugs, who used some of the lyrics of “Howl” http://www.wussu.com/poems/agh.htm for a song on either the first or second Fugs album. See also Tuli’s scene as a machine-gun-toting soldier policing the streets of Manhattan in Dusan Makavejev’s W.R. Mysteries if the Organism
https://youtu.be/JvA1bKLQtbM
and
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.R.:_Mysteries_of_the_Organismhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.R.:_Mysteries_of_the_Organism
imagine trying to shoot that scene in Post 9/11 Manhattan today.

I always thought that the Fugs were more punk than the Velvets.

There was also The Last Poets (invented the poetry slam) out of Spanish Harlem, tied to The Young Lords (The Nuyorican version of The Black Panthers). That led to the founding of The Nuyorican Poets Cafe on 6th Street between A and B in The East Village - known to Nuyoricans as Losaida - where poetry slamming took off. I lived in a flat upstairs from them when they got started around 1975. My wife and I got married there two decades later. I’m still friends with some of the founders (I’m part Nuyorican myself) but the Cafe is now a suburban hipster (imo hipsters are faux hippie/punks) shadow of it’s former self.

Last but not least, there was The Loft Party by David Mancuso https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loft_(New_York_City)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loft_(New_York_City)

I was doing a similar loft party from the late 70s onward, and stumbled into a Mancuso party through a friend three years after I had started. A concept I thought was mine, somebody had invented it already! He was using Klipsch and McIntosh, I was using Dyna Stereo 70 and Altec 604C. And booze and weed were allowed at mine.

Amazing, how not only these youthful scenes are gone, but Ginsburg, Reed, Mancuso, Piniero, Kupferburg, all passed away.