My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.
Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.
Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?
Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass. It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.
Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.
Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.
Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.
Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.
Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.
My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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When it comes to cables, try some Purist Audio Design ,especially Dominus and above 
I would love to hear your take on the Marantz Ma-9s2 amps.
I have always wanted to hear them ,but never ever got a chance.
Has anyone else ever got to hear them ?
 For some reason those and the Electrocompaniet Aw600 or 400 have always intrigued me more than any other amps that i can think of.they have been on my "bucket " list .
Keep the Ref10 and sacrifice something else.
For the money , I would love to see what that equipment would sound like through the Tekton Double Impact speakers(3000 per pair).
I own them and can tell you that they are Conduits for your equipment.
More-so than any other speaker that i have ever heard.
The performance to cost ratio is Unreal.
Plus you have a 60 day trial period .
I think that is one speaker that you just MUST try
@Whitecamoross
I Know what it is !!.
Pass Labs XA-25.
I spoiled it .. didn’t I ?
Its funny , because i was seriously considering it and reading reviews for it  a few days before you mentioned that you were going to try a fairly low powered amp from a well known manufacturer at just under $5k , that basically people are raving about .
I had a gut feeling that it was indeed the XA-25.
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it..
It is the Adcom  GFA-585se , ..  ?
When is the Pass Labs XA25 being delivered ?
Well , looking at the price of a pair of 925s used , I would certainly hope they are as outstanding as you say. Most of us working class folks ,would never be able to afford these.
Every Component that i have ever heard that used the Ess 9018 Sabre Chip, seemed to have a slight Glare in the upper mids , It seems that this was apparent in the Marantz A/V processor the Eastern electric mini max DAC, or the Wyred for sound DAC.
In my setup , it seemed to always be present .
Therefore , I am NOT a fan of anything that uses that chip.
I know everyone will say that it is more about the use and implementation of that chip that contributes more to the sound ,than the chip[ itself, BUT,
this has unfortunately been my findings..  
Are you using the Wireworld Platinum Starlight cable ?
If so, I wonder what its contribution to the overall sound is?
@shingy

Have a listen a Gryphon DAC, keen you have your feedback.

I could not afford Gryphon. Most of us here can’t.
We need to keep it down to earth ,don't you think ?
@ riaa_award_collectors_on_facebook
 Yes, I know that both amps are very expensive , which was my whole point .
The average guy will not afford them
@ whitecamaross
I think you should try the Tekton Double Impact speakers .
They are very affordable and they allow you to hear cable and component changes better than any speaker that i have ever heard. I’ll bet that i can get some agreement on that. Besides they are a speaker that most of us can afford. It would be nice to see some affordable stuff reviewed.
What happened with the Pass Labs XA-25 that was on order ?
How about trying some Legacy Audio Valor or Whisper HD.
Maybe some Tekton Design  Ulfberht or Double Impact
We never heard any more about the Pass Labs XA-25 that was on order.
You should have that by now 
RoomPerfect just might be  the only room correction that audio aficionados want to leave engaged or turned on ...or .....making its corrections.
It really is that good.
Read up on it a little and see what people think of it.
@ejr1953
I agree with you about McIntosh.
May not be the last word in resolution , but very musical IMO.
I do not understand these guys that want high level detail and Resolution.
That’s good only if you play at low levels and not for very long.
I have not heard any systems that were extremely revealing , that you could listen to for very long at very decently loud levels.
They might initially impress , but not for the long haul.
I can listen to my Mc30s with Tekton Double Impacts for days on end !!
They are just Magical !

Here is some songs that are in my Demo list.
They are worth giving a listen.
Most are a good test of your speakers abilities .
Some are instrumentals, some are vocals and a lot are a good Bass test.
They are not the usual suspects
Some are obscure and quite different
I hope you enjoy
Song Title --------------------Album--------------------------Artist
Come on Home -----Come on Home -------------Boz Scaggs
Sojourn of Arjuna------Greatest Hits of 20th Century--Bela Fleck
Morph The Cat-----------Morph The Cat----------Donald Fagen
H-Gang--------------------Morph The Cat ----------Donald Fagen
Don’t Explain------- Verve Remixed--------Dzihan & Kamien
As Big As Your Face--Late For The Future------Galactic
Endless Parade------High and Mighty ------------Gov’t Mule
Sometime Tuesday Morning--Sometime Tues Morning----Johnny A
Depression Blues------ Melvin Taylor & Slack Band-----Melvin Taylor
Going Down Slow------The Blues Collection------------Robben Ford
Everything Must Go- Everything Must Go-----Steely Dan
Thanks Dub-------------Second Hand Smoke-------- Sublime
Hare Krishna(King Britt)--Verve remix------Tony Scott
Translantic--- (Quantic) Nova Soul 3- various Artists
Retreat & View ------ Born to sing no plan B ------------Van Morrison
Real Real Gone ---- Philosophers Stone-----------------Van Morrison
Flight of the Cosmic Hippo-- Flight of the Cosmic Hippo ---Bela Fleck
Asleep In The Desert----Chrome Smoke and BBQ------ZZ Top
Sometimes Thing Get..Whatever--Random Album Title---Deadmau5


You will be shocked by the ZZ Top one , if you have not heard it,You’ll be impressed by the Guitar Tone of Johnny A and the Bass of Hare Krishna ,Quantic ,Thanks Dub, and by the overall excellent sound of Sojourn of Arjuna , Everything must Go.
Like i said these are not your usual test tracks, but instead they are interesting and different... to me anyway


@axeman
Love Johnny A. .His tone is fantastic. So smooth and Wonderful sounding. I have the "Get Inside " and the "Sometimes Tuesday Morning "Albums.
I have 90% of Bela Fleck albums also .
Here is some of Johnny A’s Guitar collection
https://www.guitarplayer.com/guitaraficionado/johnny-a-reveals-his-gorgeous-gibsons-and-gretsches
Please check out Robben Ford’s "Going Down Slow" with Jimmy Witherspoon Singing.
If you are a Guitar Guy, you gotta love that one and probably Robben Ford too !
@whitecamaross
If you get the Lyngdorf Room Correction, it should solve the issue with the Vivids .I am using the Tekton Double Impact speakers in my 10x11 room.and sitting about 8.5 to 9 feet away
Without the Lyngdorf they are way too big for the room. With the Lyngdorf they are just fine .
@whitecamaross 
I don't get it ?
You said you were ready to try the Lyngdorf. I am totally surprised that you did not or will not. It will fix your problems .

Oh ,I  get that .
It is just that he said he was gonna try Lyngdorf.
it would have been the perfect opportunity to do so .It would have substantially improved his room and speakers .
I am just disappointed and confused ,cause i thought he would try it .. like he said .. that's all.  
Wow so a lot of you guys are really supportive of my decision to go with the vivid audio g1 and luxman. I only had one person tell me that the g1 might overload my room with bass but I already have a plan in the event that it happens: it is called the Lyngdorf room correction. I plan on venturing with it if I can’t get the bass under control.


What happened to the Lyngdorf idea  WC ?
@corvette01
The MX150 or MX160 is VERY Good sounding ,and has Lyngdorf Room Correction .
If you liked the MX119 , you will definitely like the 150 or 151
I feel certain that the Lyngdorf will fix your  problem of the speakers being too big for your room. It does for me in my room . If you don't try it you'll never know .
You would  be able to keep the Vivid Speakers with Lyngdorf. !!
@ ron17
Have you used Lyngdorf room correction ?
It is Totally different and.. the Absolute best out there .
It will work. I am talking about Lyngdorf Room correction .
Which Room correction are you talking about ?
I have used:
Audyssey
ARC (Anthem Room Correction).
Yamaha's YPAO
McaCC (Pioneer)
RoomPerfect (Lyngdorf)
Lyngdorf is Head and Shoulders above all of the others.
The others are not in the same league. It really is unreal how good it is.
Just ask Grannyring (Bill Dion)
He has extensive experience in Hi-Fi Audio
You really cannot understand, until you try it ... Room Perfect
It is one of those things that  has to be tried to experience kit.
Its like trying to explain what it is like to actually go to or see Top Fuel (Funny Car or Dragsters)
You can try to explain it to someone , but unless they experience it for themselves , they really do NOT know.
My post actually came after yours to Ron about them being here in 9 days .
I was doing an edit on it 
@roxy54
07-20-2018 11:00am"I heard that newer McIntoshes are rebadged marantz units with a few more upgrades?"

Talk about fake news...




You are correct .. That is is "Fake News"
Check with Ron Cornelius @ McIntosh
Where did you here that BullSh@t Corvette01 ?
I really do not think any of you guys have experienced or used  "RoomPerfect".
It is the LAST WORD in room correction .
Have you every heard of an Audiophile type of person preferring any Room Correction ?
RoomPerfect is the ONLY Room correction that Audiophiles approve of .
It is the Ultimate in sound !
it is because it is the ONLY one that gets the BASS right and the "Time Domian" I never liked my sub with music ....Ever ..until "RoomPerfect"
It Must be heard to be believed !!!!
Remember... Love them or hate them , McIntosh hold their value pretty damn well :)
07-22-2018 6:24pmWCSS, Here is a standalone Room Perfect for sale, FYI; https://www.ebay.com/itm/232858283808?ul_noapp=tru
Buy this and your room problems are Solved
I agree .. Lets see some pics !! 
Whitecamaross, please setup your virtual system and add pics  .
I , as well as many many others would love to see all of this amazing equipment and see how it is setup in your room. Please do it !
Click on your own name or title
"whitecamaross"
Then it would be under "My virtual System "
I think you click on "add images " or something along those lines
Musicality is better than extreme or hyper  detail .
Who wants to have something you can't turn up past 75 db without ripping your F'N ears off. Give me musicality all day !! Highly detailed amps or system is ok... if you never turn it up , but what fun is that .I want something i can listen to all night and day . 
Is the hyper detailed system supposed to impress.If so ,who ..... yourself and or your friends . It might be impressive for the first 10 minutes,but If you cannot listen for more than 30 minutes before you can't take it anymore , that's NO GOOD !
You guys that want detail over everything else are missing out .... on Musicality.
Just because a piece of equipment isn't hyper detailed does NOT make it MID FI. You must realize a LOT of people like Musicality over detail.
I welcome anyone to come and hear my Very Musical system and see what they think.
Well, I have to say that WC  being able to play at 85 db and enjoying it, has to do with the BIG MACS. The  Mc601.
Mcintosh is one of the few that i can actually turn up to 80 db or so and still actually talk to someone sitting next to you.
Its because the music takes on an Organic Full  Relaxed sound .
In other words it isn't screaming or yelling at you .I is not forward or in your face .It is kind of laid back sound ..It gives more room to turn it up without ripping yours ears off.
That describes McIntosh ... to me anyway.
I guess you either love it or hate it .
@chazzzy007
Strive is right, achieving it ,is a totally different story and most of us know that .
@whitecamaross

Hi guys: just came home with a pair of amps I did not expect to bring back but I needed to try more horsepower on the magicos. Guess what ? I was damn right!
They need gobbs of power. I just strapped on a pair of McIntosh 601s and man the speakers just sound 30% percent better easily. They sound larger, the excess high frequency energy from some recordings has receded and now they sound much more dynamic. It’s as if they took a shot of steroids by getting more current from monos. I’m very happy with this result. I will keep listening and will report back.
I will try the focals at some point tonight. Let’s see !!!
I notice that you are not really saying much about those MID-FI McIntosh MC601s
Could it be that they really are better than you expected .Could it be that they are Damn Musical and you hate to admit it ?.........just my opinion, of course.
But, I find it kind of odd that you have not really said another word about them, BUT. They are still there !

@whitecamaross 
 You need to.throw your expectations and pre-conceived notions  out the window in order to give them all a fair shake !
Anybody that would spend 40k on amps or speakers has way more money than they have sense anyway . Mc601s are probably as much as any sane person would spend on audio anyway.
I mean really think about it, would 40k amps really be worth 26k more than 14Kamps . What is your money REALLY getting you in improvement.... 20% ...at most . You really should Demo some gear that the average guy can afford.