Boxer, You thought I’d be all in what? The thinly disguised advertising by proxy marketing ploy? 😛
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Good comeback, Tom! Nevertheless, I still don’t believe you. Is that wrong? 😳
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What I think we might need here is a brief tutorial on how the internet works. 🤠 |
Frank, you say political, I say psychological. You know, like how the internet works. Hel-loo! I win! 😛
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Oh, good! Now audiophiles won’t have to upgrade cables, power cords, electronics, speakers or turntables or tubes. Or even fuses. Or tweaks. 😛 Holiday hint: when you coat the fuse end caps don’t forget which way the fuse goes back in. 😳 |
Tis probably best not to break the seal as it were. Besides, who really wants to wait another umpty ump hours for another break in? Not that audiophiles aren’t masochists. 😛
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Don’t coat the whole fuse? Whoa! Huh? What the heck? 😳
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Are your magnets directional? 😃
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Tom, coyness doesn’t become you. If you don’t want to answer I promise I’ll understand. 😛
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What you mean we, Kemo Sabe?
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oregonpapa OP
Based upon what Total Contact has done for my little ten-dollar Kenwood CD player, geoffkait may be closer to the truth than he realizes. Its just a used, cheap vintage CD player that probably cost under $200 when new. Now, it holds its own against a $10,000 player? Who knew??
>>>>>You see, that’s a really great observation but I’m afraid it opens up a big can of worms. 🛢That can of worms I refer to as the hierarchy of sound. What I mean is, sure, you can treat an inexpensive thing and it can beat a more expensive thing. Impressive, true. The problem is when you treat the MORE expensive thing you get an even bigger jump in SQ. Then, treat an even MORE expensive thing, bingo, bango, bingo! An ever bigger jump in SQ. That’s the hieracrchy of sound. WHERE DOES IT ALL STOP?! 😳
Everything is relative and everything is HIERARCHICAL. - Old audiophile axiom
“This is so great! The top of the world, we finally got to the top of Everest.”
“Hold on, Bub, we’re only at Base Camp. We’re only half way up!” 😀
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When it comes to contact enhancers, The King of the Hill of course is Quicksilver Gold, no longer available, which trumped all previous concoctions, including Quicksilver, the previous champ. You can forget about all the other prior stuff. For cleaning I like Cramolin and Deoxit type cleaners. If the new concoction can beat Quicksilver Gold I’ll eat a bug. 🐛 Pour your hearts out. Put your back into it, lads. 🏋🏻♀️ I’m rather used to reading purple prose. 😈
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Just to close the loop, Quicksilver and Quicksilver Gold were both the brainchild of Brian Kyle (RIP). I mentioned Quicksilver Gold earlier today on this thread as being the King of the Hill.
Everything is relative. - Albert Einstein
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Apply to the entire magnet? Ah, the old skin effect, eh? 😛
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Tom, I don’t think I believe you. There was no Quicksilver line of products. There was Quicksilver, then the new and improved Quicksilver Gold with Gold content maybe 12 years ago or whatever. If you say you got only modest gains I either don’t believe you or your system needs serious upgrading. Maybe you have too much shear. 😛
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It just goes to show you how much jibber jabber and misinformation there is out there in the wild blue yonder. I used Quicksilver Gold just this morning on my headphone jack and two AA batteries of my Walkman CD player. Wonderful sound right out of the box, very low in distortion, dynamic and smooth and refined. Sounds like real music! I would even go so far as to call the sound spectacular. You guys don’t seem to have a good handle on what’s going on. You got links for me, I got nothin’ for you. 😛
An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. - old audiophile saw |
Sorry to say Frank, and I do hate to be disagreeable, your comments regarding Quicksilver Gold are quite incorrect. As I just posted the QG is very good right out of the box, outstanding really, and continues to improve for a few hundred hours. QG doesn’t degrade or any such thing. I’ve examined joints done with QG years later and they are pristine, dry but like a layer of silver. They are supposed to dry over time. The medium is not the message. The misinformation and disinformation are rampant in this hobby.
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Uh, Silclear was mentioned yesterday about 20 posts ago. Silclear is OK, not bad. A better bus came along fifteen years ago as fate would have it. Snooze, you loose. 😴
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Sorry, the link you posted was filled with knuckleheads, trolls and the usual misinformation and disinformation from the usual suspects. No wonder the audio hobby is stuck in first gear.
You’ve got links for me, I’ve got nothing for you. 😬
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Frank, thanks for the purple prose. ☂️ It’s fascinating how someone who gets a free product seems obligated to defend the product to the death. Hail to the Beta testers! If you could hear what I’ve heard with my ears....
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Geoffkait ...
"Free" has nothing to do with my evaluation. If it didn’t sound right, or the product degraded the sound, I’d say so. I feel NO obligation to report that something is a positive thing when it is not.
You realize that you are questioning my honesty, right? Was there anything in my evaluation of the SR fuses .... from the original Red fuse thread, right through the Blue fuse thread, that would lead you to believe that I’m a dishonest person? If so ... name it. If you cannot name it, then perhaps you should be a little more sensitive and therefore more socially acceptable in your writings. In other words, think before you press the "post your response" button.
Frank
>>>>>Whoa! Hey, let’s keep this civil! I never said you were dishonest or even intimated it. I said you were incorrect. See the difference? Think of it as a friendly disagreement. Also, as I already intimated, I’d opine you’re going a little bit overboard promotion wise, considering usually the “tit for tat” is supposed to be free product (the Beta Test) in exchange for favorable comments, not some sort of year long crusade. Capish?
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tubes444
geoffkait
I don't know how good SilClear was or wasn't 17 years ago period you mention.
But very few companies " Stand perfectly still for 17 years in today marketplace." They! SilClear has reformulated several times. Is their 2017 offering I purchased a little better, much better, or no better? My comments where base on the 2017 SilClear Bus ride experience only.
>>>>>Whatever.
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theaudiotweak
Deer Geoff,
I would love to buy a container of Quicksilver Gold from your private stash as mine some years back turned to lava rock. Tom
>>>>>Dear Tom, sorry to hear it. Sounds like operator error. Geoff
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Tom, I’m a little curious, who appointed you Damage Control Officer? In fact, and I’m not trying to be mean, why are you even here?
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My intent is to educate and entertain. Think of me as a song and dance man. And I’m not your Junior, Junior. |
What’s weird is nobody among the chosen few, from what I can tell, has used the new product on black or blue or ANY fuse, for that matter. What’s up with that? That’s what we audio insiders refer to as a no brainer. 🧠 I’m mean, come on, people! Get with the program!
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Frank
I’m beginning to think that some of the Debbie Downers have ulterior motives in their attempted destruction of any new product. Could it be that they have their own tweak businesses like Geoff, or perhaps they work for another manufacturer and are threatened by innovators like Ted Denny and Tim Mrock? Or even more likely, they lead narrow, darkened little lives and get their rocks off by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others.
>>>>Whoa! What? Geez, Louise, and they thought they were paying for some nice favorable comments. They got a lot more than that. They got a drama major with 50+ years of experience. You do have a vivid imagination, I’ll grant you that. “...by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others.”That’s Gold, Frank, Gold! You missed your calling.
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shadorne
@geoffkait
Frank has a classic case of “projection” - just because he is a busy paid shill for several tweak businesses, he suspects naysayers must be the same. Although in Frank’s view the naysayers are working actively to shill other products where they have their own vested interest and are therefore paid to attack his vested interests.
You can’t cheat an honest man. - Old audiophile saw
geoff kait, audio insider |
Ironically, a strong belief in science and/or having an advanced degree in science is actually a Roadblock to progress in this hobby. Just see how much and by whom Science is bandied about on these threads, as if the sacred Laws of Physics or Electricity have been sullied or broken. Give me a break! And why is it those who jump in to protect the sacred laws of science never say anything uh, scientific or technical. Because they can’t? Hmmmm....
“Knowledge is what’s left after you subtract all the stuff you forgot from school.” - old audiophile saw
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Would it be too much to ask for comments that don’t sound like they’re right out of the Reviewer’s Handbook of Audiophile Cliches and Trite Expressions? You know, My jaw hit the floor or even my wife commented on the sound from the kitchen? 👩🏻🍳 How about, I don’t think my system can possibly get any better!? Does your dog cock his head and look inquisitively for someone there when he hears a voice on your system now? 🐩 Come on, people! I guess nobody ever heard of the Last Tweak Syndrome. You know, the tweak that finally gets you into Audio Nirvana. The one that gets you all the way to 100%. 😛
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schubert
....but it (having an advanced technical degree) tends to up the odds (that they can determine it’s snake oil).
I hate to be judgmental, but it appears those who defend and embrace Science most vehemently and complain the shrillest that Laws of Physics have been sullied or torn asunder are oft times merely English majors. 😁
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dynaquest4
Geoffkait: "Green marker on the outer edge of the CD and Black marker on the inner edge. Old school as it gets and almost scientific. More air, more dynamics and more detail. More analog than analog. "
"Say it ain't so, Joe....please tell me it ain't so" (that you believe this fairy tale).
Generally speaking, folks would be much better off if they believed in too much instead of too little. As I suspected, you don’t really have a scientific reason for your belief. Pseudo skeptics by and large are a superstitious lot.
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dynaquest4
OK, tommylion, I get your point. But I would not "try it" because it seems to be advertised to fix a problem I do not have, has a ridiculous price tag and reminds me of green magic marker on the edge of CDs and wooden blocks to elevate cables.
Since you used the word, I could, but will not, opine that those who get sucked it to this kind of voodoo magic are ignorant.
Additionally, having a different opinion on this subject is not stirring the pot...it is called
>>>>>Whoa! Hey, back this thing up. Beep, beep! So now all tweaks are snake oil. Let’s take things one at a time, shall we? The Green Pen is an effective tweak and well worth doing. Plus it doesn’t cost anything. So you can’t use the go to pseudo skeptic argument that it’s too expensive. I actually just used the Green Pen tweak over the weekend. You know, just to see if it still worked after all these years. Green marker on the outer edge of the CD and Black marker on the inner edge. Old school as it gets and almost scientific. 😬 More air, more dynamics and more detail. More analog than analog. In short, a no brainer. 🧠 Plus naysayers can’t think of a scientific reason why it can’t work so I win. Tee hee
An audiophile thing doesn’t have to be hi tech, it can be lo tech. It can even be cheap. The whole issue is really one of efficacy. A thing that’s technically more advanced than chunky peanut butter is indistinguishable from voodoo. - Audio insider
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dynaquest4
And then there are you and I and a few others who are still scratching our heads in disbelief.
Also....be aware that our questions and skepticism are important to the discussion. They call us "nay-sayers" but some newbies on this forum need to read both sides so they aren't unduly swayed by posters (with thousands of posts) who spout clearly impossible claims.
When I spend money on my system it is typically for equipment upgrades and not useless bling.
>>>>I think you did an excellent job illustrating the difference between a real skeptic and a pseudo skeptic, the latter being the one who is not curious and who never investigates these things.
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My advice to tweak manufacturers, never explain anything. It won’t help. It won’t stop the pseudo skeptics’ demands and whining, it will only encourage them. They don’t really care about the truth, anyway. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump. Do not (rpt not) feed the pseudo skeptics! 🍔 🍟 🍦
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I don’t take sides, Papa San.
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oregonpapa OP wrote,
“There is a simple solution to relieve the fears of the Nay-Sayers ... don’t buy the product. Stay home. Let other’s make their own decisions .... and you go about your destructive activities elsewhere.
The free market will decide if Total Contact will be successful or not. For those who DO make the jump, they will find that all of the "hype" was the truth. Their positive experiences will be posted here and on other forums. Word of mouth will cause others to buy the product and success will be attained. That, of course, depends upon whether the consumers feel they got good results for the money spent, or even far surpassing the money spent. Conversely, if the product is bunk, it will fall out of favor (Tice Clock) and will be unsuccessful.”
>>>>>I hate judge before all the facts are in but it looks like Papa San is just a wolf in sheep’s clothing. 🐑 This is the oldest tweak marketing ploy on the books - Promote the bejessus out of the tweak you’re hawking and disparage all other competing tweaks, you know, like Quicksilver Gold and the Tice Clock. Frank, didn’t you get the memo that the Tice Clock works?! Hel-loo! I know what you’re thinking, but I read it on an audio forum. 😛 It was just all-thumbs audiophiles who gave it a bad rap.
Besides, the closets of audiophiles are filled with tweaks of yore that got replaced or got thumbs down. But that doesn’t mean the discarded tweaks don’t work. The Green Pen, VPI Brick, Shakti Stone, PWB silver rainbow foil, crystals, CD beveler, Mpingo disc. What have you. Audiophiles are a fickle group, always looking for the next bandwagon to jump on. Chasing the Dragon. 🦎 Looking for Audio Nirvana. 😛 Contact enhancers and aftermarket fuses are controversial tweaks, so Papa San should probably reconsider embracing the Tice Clock rather than disparaging it. We all hang together or we hang separately. 😬
In order to debunk something it must be bunk to begin with. - Old audiophile saw
It’s getting harder and harder to tell the naysayers from the believers without a scorecard.
What is the market for contact enhancers? Gotta be at least fifty.
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Tom, you’re such a drama queen. There is no mystery. Everybody and his brother knows all about Graphene.
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Graphene for audio applications is hardly new. Cerious graphene cables were introduced more than two years ago. That probably means they were under development for some time prior to that. Mad Scientist graphene contact enhancer came out when, a year ago? Nothing new under the sun. 🌞 How long stealth bombers and fighters have been using graphene is anybody’s guess. My guess is a very long time. |
Frank,
Knowledge is what’s left after you forgot all the stuff from school and your library.
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Notwithstanding the assumed humor in your comment it’s only fair to point out I must be better read than either you or your assumed brother. Frank must be referring to a younger brother, one naturally assumes.
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Do I have any comments on doc gaw’s comments? No. |
Well, of course any cleaning of contacts, especially with Cramolin or Deoxit, even humble rubbing alcohol, but especially with the more advanced stuff like Quicksilver Gold, will have the same or similar results as the LED ceiling lamps. Glad to see someone experimenting.
Holiday Tip: Don’t forget all of the non-audio wall outlet contacts around the entire house, you know, refrigerator, TV, Stove, computer, air purifier, humidifier, microwave, etc. 📺 🖥 🔌🎛 By no small coincidence I just came back with brand new LED FHD TV under my arm.
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Jumpin Jehoshaphat!! I think my pacemaker just arced. |
Beta testers should always try to be enthusiastic when they post. Wouldn’t that be understood? 🤑
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To all, especially the Beta testers - you can probably appreciate that I‘ve super minimized the number of electrical contacts in my system by going to an all battery power portable system. The way to get better than enhanced contacts is eliminate the contacts! Hey-loo! So I’m isolated mechanically AND electrically. I also eliminate ALL room acoustics issues with one swell foop. The easiest way to solve a set of simultaneous equations in X unknowns is to eliminate the unknowns. 😛
Sure, I still have battery contacts and the headphone 1/8” mini-plug (good thing I still have Quicksilver Gold!) but that’s it. No more house AC. No more AC ground. No more wall outlets. No more power cord plugs. No more speaker cables, interconnects. No more tube pins. No more fuses. No more teacher’s dirty looks. 👀
The best way to reduce distortion and noise in electrical contacts is get rid of the contacts. There’s no reason to address a problem that’s non existant. If thy eye offend thee pluck it out! It’s a paradigm shift! You could call it Total Non-Contact. 😁 There’s no substitute for Signal to (Noise + Distortion) Ratio. |
Just to point out the long winded Audio Myths slide show is by Kite, not Kait. 😁 Ironically, Kite is from Oregon. I got as far as when he states all tests that are not blind are worthless. Then I stopped reading. What a load of horse hockey! He’s also all wet on his claim the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. He’s just another pseudo skeptic. |
thecarpathian, you’re not saying it doesn’t work? That’s priceless. |
shadorne
@geoffkait
Kite was VP engineering at Audio Precision. The company that makes and sells audio test instruments that manufacturers and Stereophile use. So he was biased towards measurements...but I wouldn’t totally dismiss what he says unless I was a Snake Oil Salesman.
>>>Good for him. I judge a person by his words, not his credentials. You know, saying a person is correct because of his credentials or education is a big red flag🚩- you know, an Appeal to Authority. Besides, I didn’t totally dismiss what he says. But I did stop reading when I saw where he was coming from. His “audio myths” are frequently Strawman arguments, I.e., pseudo arguments, made up arguments. For example, nobody thinks that analog has unlimited bandwidth or has unlimited resolution. That’s absurd. Another Strawman argument of Kite’s is his supposed audio myth that cables act as rectifiers. Huh? Nobody ever said that. Where does he come up with this stuff? Give me a break! Alas, he’s just another pseudo skeptic with an axe to grind. The internet is littered with them. You don’t have to look too hard 👀 to find some PhD in something or another that has it in for audiophiles. In fact, “Zen and the Art of Debunkery” was actually about folks like Kite. To whit,
“As the millennium turns, science seems in many ways to be treading the weary path of the religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized "scientific truth." As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a sinking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of skeptical infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar. Small wonder, then, that so many promising fields of inquiry remain shrouded in superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo . . . and debunkery.
Put on the right face. Cultivate a condescending air certifying that your personal opinions are backed by the full faith and credit of God. Adopting a disdainful, upper-class manner is optional but highly recommended.”
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