SONY HAP1Z as alternative player/streamer to DAC


The Sony HAPZ1 can be used with an external DAC (if you didn’t know) and it occurred to me is a great value player/server as an alternative to the other ones available. This has already been written about, not new news, but I thought I would share my experience.
I recently got into my first stand alone DAC (Bryston), mainly to upgrade from the DAC in my OPPO 205 and because it can take DSD from SACDs played on the OPPO also. At this point I put my SONY in the box (I preferred both the OPPO and Bryston, sound-wise). I wasn’t sure what I would do with the SONY. I’ve seen a bunch for sale over the last few years on A’gon for about $1k. I figured a lot of people wouldn’t be interested in what is now somewhat older technology (or at least perceived that way) and a used device that has a HDD in it (susceptible to degradation -moving parts, storage, etc.) especially when storage now is getting cheaper and cheaper anyway.

Fast forward a couple months of enjoying the Bryston/OPPO combo - I started wondering if an outboard player
(like Aurender 100 or Bryston BDP) would be a better option. The OPPO works pretty well, but I am streaming
wireless from a NAS and it often drops out, especially on hi-rez files. You can hook up a HDD to the OPPO and play those files, but then you have a louder drive in the room. Also, you have to have
a TV hooked up to the OPPO to see the files and use the remote control/TV as your interface. As an interface, it is not as friendly as some of the i-phone/android apps available for music players and like the SONY’s. These alternative players start getting in to the $3-4k range. Some have called them "glorified computers" which I agree with to a large degree. When you buy one of these you are basically paying for the interface it offers to browse and play files and flexibility it may offer (various output formats, etc.). For me, buying one would be a way to have a nicer interface with file management and possibly (?) better sound. Then I heard the SONY could send a signal (DSD included!) via its USB output, which I had not known. And it already has a pretty quiet internal HDD and a user interface. It also converts all PCM to DSD (defeatable) and has other sound processing (its ’DSEE’ engine - also defeatable). It also has a nice methodology to transfer files to itself (automatically). And a 5-year warranty! It occurred to me (especially since I already had one) that this was a cheap alternative to buying a new dedicated music player/streamer. And at $1k used frequently available on A’gon, it seemed like a good alternative, especially since these other players seem to lose value pretty quickly with constant upgrades and new models. Yes, the SONY only has one USB output. But otherwise (in addition to its own abilities anyway as a stand-alone player) what a great used value this is for someone looking for a player, even as a temporary option awaiting new technology, or just while considering long term options. I just started trying it out, so far it sounds just fine. I will be listening some more to see if there is much audible difference in the playback.

jimmy2615
Are you using the Bryston DAC with the Sony? How do you like the sound? Thanks!
I own two HAP-Z1ES players in 2 different systems and love them.  I had an Aurender N100H previously with a Wyred4Sound Dac-2 with Femto clock and I much preferred the Sony hands down.  I am extremely satisfied with them as stock and have not tried another dac.  My reasoning is it sounds so good as is.  One thing I have noticed is that the Sony has deeper bass than my Esoteric SACD Player which I have in the same system using identical cables.

If I get the urge to upgrade, I may try a better dac in the future.
Only downside to sending the HAP data stream via USB to an external DAC is that the Sony does not output the DSD upsampled feed. In other words, it only outputs the data at the native sample rate of the file being played. Only if the original file is DSD rate, then it will be output as such.

One of the big selling features of the HAP was the built-in DSD upsampling and it's positive effect (subjective as some people don't like the sound of the upsampling) on then sound quality. I, for one would like to have the option of the DSD upsampled output since many users are employing software upsampling in their media platers to achieve the same thing when feeding DSD capable DACs.

Maybe Sony could make it's DSD rate upsampled bitstream available to external USB with a firmware upgrade.

On another note, I could not get the external USB to work at all with my Nuprime DAC-10 (just random noise) but it works perfectly with the DAC in my Vinnie Rossi LIO.

I have a solid state drive in my heavily modified HAP (Vinnie Rossi Level 3 with tube output stage and LiFePo battery supply) and highly prefer it to previous computer based (Mac mini) hardware/software player solutions for sound quality, functionality and ease of use.


Goheelz, yes, I was using the Sony with the Bryston - it sounds good so far but I need to do some more serious listening in the future - just set it up the other day but then sadly (or, ironically given this post) it stopped taking in new files for some reason.  I just sent it in to the authorized repair service to have it looked at.  Mine also had the common issue with the horizontal lines on the display screen, so I sent it in for that too. 

Dspringham, my Bryston initially would not work with the Sony - after looking up some info on the forums, I found I had to roll back the Sony to the previous firmware version to make it work.  I did not think of the DSD issue (outputting DSD native files only as DSD), good point.

I had to rollback the firmware on my Sony HAP-Z1 to get it to connect via USB to a new PS Audio Stellar Gain Cell Preamp/DAC.  Works great now.  Prior to rolling back, the DSD files would have a loud popping sound between songs and flac, alac, wav, and mp3s would a mix of loud static and music.

Sony really screwed something with their last firmware release up or stopped supporting something in many DACs out there.

The new HAP firmware worked fine in the past with an Auralic Vega and a Chord MOJO DAC, bit I don’t own those anymore.
Hopefully Sony can address DAC compatibility issues in the next firmware beccause the HAP-Z1ES is a very nice piece of gear.  Unfortunately it doesn't work with my new Benchmark DAC3.     :(
I think the Sony HAP line has reached End of Life.  No recent firmware upgrades and seemingly no response from Sony regarding future updates.  
That sounds about right for Sony.  They go all in to a new format and then forget about it.  I have 2 Hap players and was hoping for future upgrades, like including Tidal.
An easy mod for HAP owners is to upgrade the SATA cable using the Pachanko Pure Reference or Audiopheeling SATA cable. I personally use the Audiopheeling cable and I love it. It allows music to sound natural. The regular SATA cable sounds veiled and colored.
A much better upgrade, although more expensive, would be to replace the HDD with an SSD.  Can do that for under $200.00.
I would like to add this info to the thread.
Bill Thalmann at Music Technology installed a worthwhile analog circuitry upgrade to my Sony HAP-Z1ES. He adapted the Oppo upgrade for the Sony. I am very happy with it.

Sfseay, how much trouble is it changing out the HDD to SDD?  They'll probably keep getting cheaper, so definitely worth considering.

   I got my Sony back, there was nothing wrong with it - turned out my computer ran an update and then blocked the network from communicating with the Sony's Linux system.  Luckily it was an easy enough fix once I figured it out.  Sony did fix the screen.  I have to say they have great customer service.  They paid for shipping both ways, and it was only in the shop for about 3 days.  Nice.

Good point to bring up regarding the SSD swap: you want to make an exact copy of the HDD data to the SSD in case there is software/OS installed in the HDD. Your local computer repair shop should be able to provide that service. 
There is no software on the HDD to worry about. After installing the new drive just boot up and let the Sony format the new disc. Works perfect. I have exchanged the original drive twice. Once for a 2TB HDD and now have a 2TB SSD.  Amazon sells the 2TB SSD from Micron for $298.00.  Great deal!

The Sony is still a great unit, love mine with couple of issues.

1. Really wish there was hi-res content available to be streamed (support tidal? or if Spotify would hurry up with it).

2. Getting any sort of real feedback to and from Sony on suggestions, or support, or even software updates is impossible. (something as simple as letting you do random by artist would be great)

It's a shame, because it should be a relevant unit for years to come. IF I could get hi-res streaming I could see myself upgrading the drive, possibly trying some external DAC's etc.  
New firmware update happening right now for my Sony HAP-Z1ES.  Claims improved performance with outboard USB DACs and some minor changes with Spotify. No indication that Tidal will be added, als. Sony remains the most mysterious audio company.

Glad to see they’re keeping hope alive with this unit.