You must be a genius Frog,since I totally agree with every word you said.
Elee, WOW, you're into LvB's 9th like I'm into Shubert's 9th ! |
Brownfan, I think there is a Beecham 3 and 5 on EMIs "Great Recordings of the Century". which is as good if not better, cheap and readily available om Amazon. |
Almarg, you are not kidding when you say the Chesky Dvorak is a landmark in sound.Whenever I run into anything conducted by Horenstein I just buy it.
Brownsfan, of course you are correct, we all see all through
our own particular prism.I just want to see what others think. No decent person loves one child over another, or can deny he loves them all in different ways .
Newbee , all real Classical fans evolve in their tastes and thats a good thing , a very good thing, shows your mind and soul are open and growing.
40 years ago, I listened 75% of the time to Chamber Music, then had a Choral decade, then an Opera one and now mostly Symphony. |
Lowrider , you wouldn't be the first Brucknerian to prefer the 8th, or Giulini either.
I heard a really nice 8th from Tintner and the National SO of Ireland recently on Naxos.
The sound was outstanding as well. |
Mrmb, what's your honest opinion of the Krips?
No version suits everybody so feel free to be critical if thats the case. |
Mrmb, thanks for the review.
I agree with your comments on the Krips..
Sings like only Schubert sings and at the same time moves inexorably forward like a 12 wheel steam locomotive. |
That pleases me greatly !
When I first began to listen to Classical this was one of of the first dozen of records I bought at the University of Minnesota book store, a buck on close-out.
As I began to read (and READ) about Classical Music I kept reading these opinions that all Schubert's first 7 were juvenalia, lesser works etc. .Knowing how great the 9th was this seemed strange to me, I found a Beecham 2& 5th(which is in the league with Krips) and listened.
Even as a newbee I knew these critics were nuts.
Of course LvB symphonies, correctly, were always cited as among the very best.I compared over and over again Schubert's 2, 5. 9 with LvB's 2,5, 9 . In every case I could come to no conclusion other than, great a LvB's are, Schubert's were better.
Forty years ago Schubert didn't make every "top-ten" list. now he's usually in the top five.
Guess the creme does rise !
But LvB 7 is better than Schubert 7-LOL.
P.S.I read a article today that on 3 April 1897, the day of Brahms demise, every ship in the Kriegsmarine flew their 10 meter battleflags at half-mast.Surely a first , and last, as far as I know.
If you ever make a pilgrimage to Viennas Central Cemetery you'll find Schubert buried on a corner, right next to him lies Brahms(as he requested) next is Strauss the younger,Brahms buddy, next to him Hugo Wolff.
Mahler is buried around the corner from Schubert, perhaps 50 feet away. I often wonder if ,awaiting judgement day, the fellas ever have any conversations of an evening. |
Thanks Frog, health permitting I just might make that.
I'll tell all, having been all over the US and world, if there is a more beautiful place than Upstate NY, I'll kiss your butt on Main St. and give you 2 weeks to draw a crowd !
I did make the pilgrimage to the the Marlboro Festival in VT to see the sweat pour off the great Mitsuko Uchida playing Scubert's towering Sonata 21 in the hot summer sun.
From the little I've seen of Botstein it looks like he falls into the force of nature category?
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Thats what I remember from a talk I heard him give once on NPR.
FWIT, I knew two young ladies in Berlin, one a clarinetist , the other an oboist , both grads of the Berlin Music Hochschule ( a cross between Julliard and Indiana), they played Schubert songs together as stay at home-moms and truly sang.
Some of the german students had Schubert's song in their DNA
to a degree I don't think any non native german speaker could. |
I'll try a Newton, know nothing about it.Though I'm sure I could never hear anything but the overwhelmingly beautiful voice of Kathleen Ferrier in the Rhapsody, so deeply is it embedded .
Yesterday I listened to the Levine/Chicago SO Brahms 4th , 4 times in a row, new one for me. |
Frogman. I just recalled that Schubert's last song , "Der Hirt auf dem Felsen' (D965) has a lovely written Clarinet obbligato . |
I have and love the Battle/ Levine. last decade or so if Levine is conducting or playing I just buy it .
My fave is the Barbara Bonney with clarinetist Sharon Kam on Warner, who I never heard before,or since, but who to my ears has a lovely liquid tone.
My biggest problem in music is wondering whether Schubert's op.99 or op100 trio is the most beautiful music ever written.
Unless of course his String Quintet in C is, I heard with my own little ears Arthur Rubenstein say it was.
I took the moniker Schubert on here thinking it was just a bunch of rockers who never heard of him, tad red-faced now that I did. |
Brownsfan, these days sound is really secondary to the performance for me, will guess you can just get lost in the music as well.
In my exp.most 'philes are addicted to hard-edged "hi-fi" sound like Chesky and dislike natural sound like on the old Krips Decca.YMMV
I keep a pr of old Triangle Titus 202's monitors around, former class B streophile, because the tweeter is crossed in at over 6kz
and about anything sounds OK on them. |
FWIW, I recently had the very great pleasure of hearing a young Norwegian lady trumpet player, Tina Thing Helseth play
the Haydn Concerto with the Madison SO.
I could NOT believe how great she was, I truly could not hear a trumpet , it was as if a super-human female voice was singing.
I'm no expert, but the only brass player I ever heard I could
compare her to is Dennis Brain. |
Thanks, Frog . I've been to at least 1K, probally closer to 2k, classical concerts, NEVER heard anyone playing anything
with the ease Helseth plays the Trumpet.Well, perhaps Claudio Arrau,I heard him several times in Berlin, seemed like he just looked at the piano and sound issued forth. As I said , its really like she is singing, truly sounds like a female voice in the heavenly choir, as if God was her teacher. |
Learsfool,Overture Hall in Madison has great acoustics, what is your hall like? |
No, Overture hall is a beautiful newish(5 yr old i think )2500 seat venue in downtown Madison . Madison SO is a good class B band IMO. just yesterday the Green Bay SO, a decent semi-pro band disbanded after 105 years for lack of an audience.Happening everywhere, I really miss the Syracuse SO which I thought was really good.
If you think Tina Helseth is "not all that" as they say, please tell me, your honest opinion is valuable .
Sounds like you play in my fave venue, the Gewandhaus.LOL |
In all fields, American workers are competitive.
In all fields, American management is not.
Perhaps a bit of my usual overstatement to make a point, but thats what I've seen. |
Learsfool, I checked the stats online of Overture Hall, my eyeballs were not all that far off, it seats 2,250 , home base for Madison SO, WI Chamber Orchestra, Mad.Opera and Ballet. In a 10 year old building also housing art museum , total cost was $210 Million inclusive of a great Klais organ.
Does host plays,acts like Steely Dan, but was built as a classical concert hall, stunning visually and aurally. |
Aside from Tiny Tim or perhaps Blossom Dearie(who I actually like), she has the most unique voice I've ever heard. |
Great Post Al,
She always focused my mind directly on the Divine, glad, overjoyed really, to see I was not alone in that. |
