What do you mean you “heard” the turntable


I don’t get it. Maybe I just don’t have the biological tool set, but I read all the time how someone heard this turntable or that turntable and they comment on how much better or worse it sounded than some other TT, presumably their own or one they are very familiar with. 

Thing is, they are most likely hearing this set up on a completely different system in a completely different environment. So how can they claim it was the TT that made the difference?  The way “synergy“ is espoused around here how can anybody be confident at all considering how interdependent system interactions are. 

Can someone illuminate me?
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@bdp24  I find most magazine reviews and reviewers to be next to useless for evaluation purposes, the UK ones doubly so. Poor methodology, watered down criticism, flavour of the month recommendations, editorial constraints etc leave them barely fit for entertainment purposes.

Online reviewers have many advantages. Here's one of the better ones, HiVinNiws channel.

https://youtu.be/ogiWnw5X0ZI

For me, the sitting of the deck is the most important factor. With good placement even a budget deck can yield good results, and then there's the old stylus assembly super glue trick. 

Amazing how seemingly large differences suddenly start closing up after a little care and attention. 

As for magazine reviewers, I would never trust them after leading us up so many blind alleys - the sorry speaker spikes fiasco being one of the worst. Talk about the blind leading the blind, these self appointed dabblers in pseudoscience are regularly corrected by the readership. At least those they dare to print.

It's good to see reason prevail and some manufacturers now also offering decoupling rubber cones in addition to the regular (but misguided) steel spikes.

At what point do turntable noise and speed issues become inaudible to human hearing? Some of the latest Technics specs are staggering.

What more is left for the turntable to do? 

"For wow and flutter most turntables were (and still are) around .1 to .3%. The SP-10 and SL-1200 were less than .025%."

"Remember the wow and flutter rating of less than .025%? Well now it’s less than .015%, which is considered the measurement limit. Read that again. Rumble is now down to -92 dB"

https://www.osirisstudio.com/home/2018/1/12/technics-sp-10

@frogman , yes audio can be a phenomenally complicated business but we must draw the line somewhere. At some point we just have to accept that something is good enough, or at least as good as we can ever hear. 

Here's Michael Graves, professional mastering archivist, again.

https://youtu.be/PC7Qtf3Lbuk

 "9/10 times it sounds like the master tape." The problem with us audiophiles is that the sound of the master tape may not always be to our liking!

Anyone else remember the Linn v Pink Triangle debate?