what speakers to buy


so this is my 1st time posting. the question is what speakers. i am going into this blind trying to put together a decent system on a budget. i live in a city where bose is considered the high end of high end and the nearest audiophile shops are hours away.
over the years i have owned a lot of vintage gear and still collect some of it. solid state and tube. some of the tube gear was marantz, macintosh, dynaco, heathkit, radio craftsmen, pilot etc. also the usual solid state marantz, pioneer, kenwood, adcom. speakers jbl, polk, altec (model 19 and vott), paradigm, klipsch, bozak, sansui, AR, advent. all the usual suspects
so far i have purchased a copland tube pre cta-305 and a pair of rogue audio m180 amps. all mint condition all under a year old for under half price of new. i also have a denon DP-60L TT 
(with sumiko pearl cartridge)
speaker budget is around 5000 give or take a 1000. if i'm patient i think i can find something that was originally in the 12-20k price range for what i want to spend.
so far i am leaning towards ew andra ii, dali euphonia 800, canton reference 3.2, revel studio ii. size is also a factor and all of these are within that limit.
i have a fairly large area open concept living /dinning and breakfast nook with high ceilings.
and i know "dont buy without listening" but not an option
so looking for some opinions/options

after speakers i will be getting tuner, cd and music server, current interconnects and speaker wire are all ZU mission


dragonbutx

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dragonbutx

If you really have to buy without listening I’d be inclined to point you toward Revel speakers. The reason is that they are very well engineered, having been guided by many decades of research using true scientific studies on what type of speaker parameters seem to matter most to our subjective evaluation of sound. (They have used Harmon’s blind testing methods). And the designs have been very competently created to reproduce those results, to produce smooth, neutral sound dispersion in real rooms. And it really works. I recently had been on a big speaker auditioning binge and was surprised to hear even the lower priced Revel speakers - e.g. the $2,000/pair Revel F36’s sounded distinctly more full, more neutral, more refined and controlled top to bottom than some significantly more expensive other brands I had listened to.

Revel Performa3 F208 is around $5,000 and you may find it punches above it’s weight for the reasons above. Here are the Stereophile measurements:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/revel-performa3-f208-loudspeaker-measurements

Now, measurements aren’t going to tell you definitively that you like a speaker. However, if you are really going in blind, speakers by a company that is known to be very technically competent and advanced, and whose speakers measure reliably extremely well, at least helps predict you end up with a well designed speaker that has a great chance at sounding neutral, smooth and well balanced.

Of course, the best bang for the buck will likely be used speakers. But even then, you may get an expensive speaker at 1/2 price used, that wasn’t particularly well designed and even a cheaper well designed speaker (e.g Revel or others) will beat it.

One final note, if you are in fact sort of new to putting together a higher end system: I would caution you about taking advice to spend a significant portion of your budget on audiophile cables. I’d suggest buying cables known to be well engineered (and for which measurements are supplied vs "wow" sounding subjective descriptions), for instance some Belden Cable from Blue Jeans cable or similar outlet.
Those will feed your speakers all the signal they require, you can start there, put your budget into things that will make the biggest difference - e.g. speakers - and later on when you suddenly become flush with cash and get the itch, you can experiment with the expensive cables.
(Most audiophiles, unfortunately, use protocols for determining sonic differences that are little different from those used to "show" that every alternative medicine, new age therapy, astrology etc are all effective. Which should give you a clue as to how much stock to put in to many of the claims you’ll encounter for high priced cables. My pal has a system with $50,000 in high end cables. My system with simple, relatively low priced Belden cables sounds much better - he would agree - because I put the money where it would matter - speakers, room treatment).



I've been interested in hearing the Boenicke speakers given their growing rep for great sound in a small form factor.  Unfortunately they have very little North American presence (non in Canada).

Probably the most open and natural sounding speakers you will find at your price point

http://boenicke-audio.ch/

sbs38,

I'm curious: has the Merlin sound changed over the years?

I had experience with the older VSMs that everyone used to rave about.
For me they utterly epitomized "hi-fi" that was detailed and quick, but dry and utterly without soul or tonal color.  Amazing for their size, but completely uninvolving.  (To my ears).

And...Bobby Plakovic passed away a few years ago, right?  Are Merlins still being made?
  • If you want end game speakers that you won’t grow tired of 3 years from now, look toward the British brands such as Spendor, ProAC, and ATC, but consider Vandersteen as well.

I’ve heard that kind of thing often, and I understand it’s usually put forth with the best intentions. But I’ve learned to put no stock in anyone’s claim that some brand of speakers, any brand, are "end game" speakers.

Anyone involved in high end audio for a long time can see that people settle on a wide variety of speakers they may feel as "end game." You get people who found they could only live with Quads, and people who found they could never live happily with Quads. Same goes for Spendor, Harbeth, and any other classic or popular brand one might mention. Plenty of audio forum threads show people settle on widely varying speakers as the most satisfying - that’s why there are horn devotees, panel devotees, lowther devotees, higher order crossover devotees, low order, it goes on and on.

There’s just no reason to expect some brand of speaker will be particularly satisfying and "end game" for other folks.

I was quite hyped on Harbeth, for instance, which are so often touted as "end game" "get off the merry-go-round" speakers. I read all the reviews, really enjoyed when I heard them at shows etc, and ended up with the SuperHL5Plus. It was a very nice speaker, but I sold it within a month or two because I realized it just wasn’t doing all the things I desire in a speaker, and that my Thiels did everything, to my ears, in a more satisfying manner.

This is not at all to knock people's speaker endorsements. I thrive on hearing what other people love about a speaker like anyone else, and it can help guide me towards new gear. It’s just that the "end game" speaker moniker has been a little pet peeve of mine simply because in any practical sense, it’s just not very predictive.