A true believer


I like to look at the pictures and descriptions of the various systems belonging to our fellow Audiogon members. Personally I admire the most humble system. But some times I see one that just leaves me shaking my head in amusement.

I was looking at the featured systems today and found one that consisted of three components that reproduced music. A cd player ($7700), a integrated amp. ($4000), a pair of speakers ($10,500). Total $22000. A very nice system. But, and I mean BUT, another $71,431 in cables, tweaks, stands. Things that sometimes in the tiniest increments help in the reproduction of music.

Just saying.
agaffer
With cables...its all about the "Synergy" between the other components in your system....
but, it is sort of sad that a pioneer in the home audio field can be ridiculed on an so-called audiophile site. Too bad he is not here to defend himself. Julian was into this when it was a hobby for real. when you ordered kits to build your amps and speaker. Maybe he said all amps sound alike, because, well, maybe they do. what would his motive to lie? but like a lot of things, this has gone from a hobby to big business and finally to a racket.
Your comments and attitude are indicative of the degree to which the snake oil salesmen and con-men and voodoo priests have come to dominate this so-called hobby. I am just thankful I came along when there were honest reseachers that provided the truth. BTW 'stereo repuke.' how cute.
I like it too! Kinda like, "Rat Shack." With regards to the, "all things sound alike" thought train; I'm certain there are many that cannot taste the differences between MD 20/20, a bottle of 1795 vintage Château Lafite Rothschild, and would absolutely swear: there are none. Are those that can tell you things like what year a grape was grown, in what part of France, and(specifically): what field, snake oil salesmen, con-men and voodoo priests? I think not! There are those that have trained their palates, and taste buds, to discern things others cannot. Likewise; Aural Acuity, system refinement/resolution, quality of source materials, listening room/speaker system tuning, familiarity with the sound of live instruments/vocals, in an actual acoustic, and one's attentions/training, vary greatly(if they exist AT ALL). I could cite other factors that would impact whether or not one might be able to hear the differences in cables, like one's concrete opinions(thoroughly mixed up, and permanently set), but- I don't want to hear any more loose quotes from Shakespeare. Happy listening!
rok2id - A simple question to you, do you really believe that all amplifiers sound alike? Julian Hirsh measured gear, he didn't really listen. He was the voice of the flat earthers of audio. Even back in those days when I was a music enthusiast, not an audiophile I found most of his reviews useless. The same bs every month with the same measurements and the same conclusions, what was the point? Do you believe that a vintage tube amplifier sounds the same as a cutting edge SS amplifier or the other way around? Have you ever really listened? You do a lot of pontificating but you really haven't said much about your experience listening. We've gone down this road before but before you advance to 2nd base you've got to make it to first, first, just saying, but other than what you believe about wire, which many on this site agree with, I'm not too sure these same folks would put themselves in the Hirsh camp concerning amplifiers so long as amp/speaker interface is in line. If he's your guru good for you, stay there and be happy but to me you are a rookie who adds nothing more than entertainment value in your posts. Have a nice day! ;^)
To Tubegroover:
'A simple question to you, do you really believe that all amplifiers sound alike?'
I believe all properly designed solid state amps sound alike. I think Hirsch stated it that way also. Tubes amps are a different story. If you like distortion go tube.

'He was the voice of the flat earthers of audio. Even back in those days when I was a music enthusiast, not an audiophile I found most of his reviews useless.'

what an arrogant statement!!! YOU found his reviews useless?? Why? Because he didn't say the nonsense you wanted to hear? Are you saying there is a difference between a music 'enthusiast' and an audiophile? hmmmmm.

'The same bs every month with the same measurements and the same conclusions, what was the point?'

what was he supposed to do? change the measurements? state conclusions based on nothing? I guess he didn't talk enough about soundstage, detail,grain and all the rest of the voodoo agenda.

'Have you ever really listened? You do a lot of pontificating but you really haven't said much about your experience listening.'

I have been listening since my father brought home the 78's off the 'seebergs' and juke boxes. 99% noise and static and clicks and pops, but I listened. I have been listening since 1947. I remember most of the music, none of the equipment. I listened as a member of the high school band, I listened as a memeber of my college concert band. I listen to LPs and 45s and reel to reel and cassettes and now I listen to CDs. I remember the music, the equipment has faded with time.

'but other than what you believe about wire, which many on this site agree with, I'm not too sure these same folks would put themselves in the Hirsh camp concerning amplifiers so long as amp/speaker interface is in line. If he's your guru good for you, stay there and be happy but to me you are a rookie who adds nothing more than entertainment value in your posts. Have a nice day! ;^)'

I mostly only comment on wire. I have a million questions, but no one is interested. I don't really care where most folks put themselves. I know the truth when I hear it and I act on the truth. I think I have stated on several previous post that I was a rookie when it came to high-end audio, or audio in general for that matter. I lay claim to no knowledge about anything. But I hope you weren't trying to insult me bying saying i'm just comic relief. :) If you think i'm comical, I suggest you read 99% of the posts on this site. I know my input is not as weighty as 'what time do you wear', or 'why don't more people like high-end audio?' when I read that title I roll on the floor. :)
But I will admit I was a little surprised at your tone. I thought you were one of the smart ones.
you have a nice day also.