Tube novice here. KT88 or EL34?


Hello everyone
I want to setup a second system consisting of tubes. I love my McIntosh SS but for some music I realize tubes are better. I auditioned the Cary SLi80, the Rogue 66/88, EAR 847, and the Unison Research Simply 2. Of the three, I liked the Unison the best. It was very musical, almost ethereal in presentation and I loved it and want one badly. It was auditioned on very strange speakers called Royd Ministrels which looked ridiculously puny but sounded remarkable. I want to stick with an integrated so it is all-tube sound and no mismatches (most separates are out of my budget).

Anyway, there are two versions of this integrated, one with KT88s and one with EL34s (I auditioned the latter). What is the big difference? The KT88 one is more expensive so I am wondering. I favor soundstage and musicality over anything else. I have a Sony ES CDP, and Paradigm Reference 100.2s with MIT cables (will these speakers do well with 12W? The Royds were a lot less sensitive and sounded fantastic so I assuming it will do fine). Thanks for any info, ideas, suggestions, as I am new to tubes. Arthur
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Arthur, you should contact the manufacturer to see if one the amps would allow you to run either tube, EL34 or KT88.

In many situations(such as in my Jadis amp), the manufacturer makes an EL34 version and a KT88 version. You can run both in the KT88 version, but just the smaller tubes in the EL34 amp. It has to do with biasing and the output transformers used on the amp. The KT88 version has much larger transformers, and cannot support either tube. Also, some amps will allow you to run a different output tube via a small component change, such as a resistor in the Jolida in the 302B and 502B.

With the EL34, you will not produce 50% of the KT88 power. Most of the time, the range is 20% - 35%, I normally tell people to expect about 1/3, and set them up for the worst. Often, the results are not so different. The one area where you will definitely notice the loss is the lower frequencies. The differences in tubes is quite apparent in the bass.

Personally, if it were me, I would first check with Unison to see if I could run EL34 in the KT88 amp, and find out whatever differences exist between the two products. If the differences in amplifiers extend to larger capacitors and/or transformers, then you are making a wise purchase by opting for the more expensive amp. That is definitely the one I would buy. If like the Jolida, however, the differences lie in a small parts difference, and the main difference is the output tube, I would opt for the cheaper amplifier. In that case, if the parts differences were minimal(if at all), you could always "upgrade" your amp to the more expensive version later via a local technician. On top of that, most people prefer sound of the EL34 Jolida 302B to the 6550 502B.

From you wish list, sounstaging and musicality, you could probably be happy with either. Depending on the KT88 you run, it can be quite a sweet tube. And, the bass is very good with this tube. Punchy. Ethereal, however, is really more in line with the EL34. Many people would not say this is accurate, but is sure is enjoyable.

The one question I would ask to you is, which version of the amp is the one that made such an indelible mark on you? Ultimately, that may be the one for you to buy. I am just guessing, but was it the EL34? Personally, I would set myself up for a long term purchase, and go for the amp where I could get whatever sound I desire.
Thanks for all the replies so far! My speakers are are 89dB anechoic so I suppose I may be limited in the SET department, especially since they dip to 3 ohms. I am also looking at the Antique Sound Labs integrateds that seem to be pretty and for a good price. I will be auditioning some soon. I would like to go with SETs but am not sure if I get a dealer to let me borrow one to try on my speakers. I may have to buy and try. Thanks for any and all comments - they are appreciated. Arthur
My 2 cents... If you decide to go with an EL34 based integrated, you might want to ad Conrad Johnson's CAV-50 on your list (avg. $1300 here on Agon)
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shahen
Arthur, sounds like your speakers will not like a SET or low powered tube amp. I would recommend that you stick with a push/pull design that uses pentode tubes (EL34's, 6550's, KT88's, or KT 90's for the most part) and puts out at least 40 to 50 WPC. The ASL integrated could be a great and ecconomical place to start. FWIW i find that the same tube in different amps will sound different(and a different brand of the same type of tube will sound different in the same amp) so sound wise its not just about EL34's or KT88's. It all in the application. good luck......
Antique Sound Labs has a 30W push-pull EL34 integrated for a very good price that was designed for inefficient loads (according to their website anyway) that is tempting.

However, I still like the SET idea since I have my SS for real power. Maybe I could get a second pair of very efficient speakers just for tubes? Any inexpensive ideas on this? This is pure addiction! Thanks. Arthur