Reference DACS: An overall perspective


There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
teajay
Teajay,

Tell us how the XA100 compare to the x350.5, please. I am dying to know. Threads don't need approval.

Gordon
Hi Gordon, I have already posted my review of the XA-100's and still am being amazed at how great they sound in my system. For the details regarding the differences between the 350.5 and the XA-100's take a look at my review and if you want even more specific information let me know on that thread. I hope my review gives a good sense regarding the different sonics of each amp and shows that both are great amps in their own right. The bottom line is I just shipped off the 350.5 as a trade in and the XA-100's are my new reference.
To me all the contemporary reference DACs are more similar than different, whether non oversampling or over- and upsampling technologies are being applied. With each new generation DAC there is a small improvement, which is often not worth the cost of upgrading or replacing the older DAC. It is still amazing that at hifi shows people tend to like analog more than digital, even if the digital equipment used is state-of-the-art. The strange thing is also that with vinyl with passing of time and developement of new (material) technologies, there is a real and steady improvement, whereas in digital each developement wouldn't necessarily lead to improvement. I think in red book CD there wouldn't be any (real) improvements to be expected in the near future.

Chris
Chris, I agree with your viewpoint to a certain degree, but the point of this thread is reference DACS, regardless of what sampling technologies they use, offer different "flavors" or sonic perspectives that amount to real differences that are significant to the listener.

When you get to this high level of performance all the DACS offer wonderful sonics, but that does not negate that there is real improvement compared to older digital front ends, even though its in small incremenents at this level. I have found these small, but real improvements were worth the cost to up grade. I do not play " flavor of the month" with gear in my system, but it seems about every 2 to 3 years digital gets better compared to the older gear.
chris, i think redbook has improved dramatically(we can thank sacd/dvd-a for that - though it didnt make it as a mainstream format. it would appear it sent alot of redbook designers back to the drawingboard) digital as a whole as evolved rapidly over the last 2 years in regards to:

- really great one box players
- major dac improvement in terms of jitter, output stage, and musicality (for less $$)
- transport options. it would appear that older "good" transports are still desireable (sonics and build quality). However the transition to hard drive servers/transports (whole topic all together) looks like it will be the new medium. there are not too many cases where convience, sonic improvement, and lower cost present itself.
-importance of vibration control / jitter
-digital interconnects (i am awaiting something new.. there hasnt been any major breakthrough. most of the top tier cables came out in 2000 (there has been alot of noise about the stealth varidig"

though digital is not as "good" as analog, it is narrowing the gap. try a $2k player like a naim or marantz (redbook) compared to to anything offered 2 x the price 3-4 years ago..overall this is my impression with the progression of redbook over the last couple years.