Digital Amp's


Hi All,
I was wondering what everyone thinks of the newer Digital Amps that are becoming more common. I think these Amps are known as Class D amps. Belcanto is one company that seems to be pushing this line, but most seem to be coming from the giants like yamaha and panasonic.

What are the pros and cons of these AMP's over your everyday Class A/AB amp?
Any recommendations or condemnations for digital amps?

Thanks in Advance
dlite
Hello Audiofankj.

I think I would have been careful to say the amp in my hands have blown the competition away in my system. Even though I never said that. :)

I don't think I stated on this thread, my speakers are the 1ohm Scintilla. On general discussions like this, I am leaning on the more normal systems of yourself, and of Strajan, the reviewer of 6Moons. Systems I figure readers can identify with more.

Frankly, I think it is a feather in Henry's (H2O) hat, that it performs so well on the most difficult speaker load devised.

I had moved from all tubes to tubes and solid state when I switched my Apogee Stage speakers to larger Apogee Duetta speakers. They are both nominal 4 ohms, but there's a lot more panel to drive. I tried the Pass X150, and liked the results. There was a nagging high frequency beam I never was able to rid of. At the time, it was my best system sound.

In anticipation of getting the Scintilla, I bought Pass Labs X600 monos. On the Duetta, it was more dynamic, and warmer than the X150. At least one listener liked the X150 better.

The Scintilla is not just another Apogee. It is a partial bipole. It's presentation is simply music in the room. Any amp that can push the 1 ohm Scintilla is wonderful, in my book. Never mind one Pass mono had heat stroke a number of times. The sound was bold, and dynamic. The bass was fugitive, however. The sound was the best I'd heard in my home.

A fellow Apogee owner mentioned that he had heard the little known Acoustic Reality eAR amp on his Scintillas, and it was great. I couldn't see why. The Pass's noise level, and distortion stats are way better than that of the eAR.

I gave it a try. He was right. The diminutive eAR gave up on some depth and wall of sound, but with the help of a big gulp preamp, it lifted a heavy veil I didn't know was there. It also gave the bass voice. It was the best I'd heard in my home.

Enter Henry Ho, builder of class A amps with enormous reserves. I asked Henry if he'd try the ICE module, in an amp of his device. He did, and loved it. Several months later I got my H2O Signatures.

The H2O has a power supply that would do a class A amp proud. Henry said, with the ICE module, "The highs are very hard to get right." Get it right he did. The whole of the spectrum sounds quite natural. With it's big analog power supply the H2O improves on the eAR. It gains in bass authority, depth, slam, naturalness, and weight.

I never have written a review of my amps. When I got them, they were the only Signatures around. I wasn't even sure if they were going into production. There are great reviews out there now. I'm willing to answer questions, or provide more details.

Thanks Vince. I didn't mean to sound like I was putting words in your mouth. I was familiar with your power amp progression, however I am not certain others are. I think most don't realize the people buzzing about the H2o's have tried a good many amps out there... not just moving from a Yamaha receiver to a power amp... and singing the praises of the "flavor of the month" - time will prove where the H2o's stand. I am quite sure we already have a pretty good idea too. :)

Hope all is well with you and your family out west...
Muralman1...You mention the eAR amp. I have toyed with the idea, but now find that a similar product is available from Red Dragon audio, right here in the good old USA. It uses the latest 1000 watt ICE module, in a simple neat package. What do you know/think about it?
Eldartford,

Look at the H2O review at 6Moons. In it, Stajan compares the H2O Sig to the nicely packaged Jjaz. The 1000ASP has been popping up in, "High end" amps since it's introduction. They all share pretty much the same sound. Henry, of H2O has tried coaxing a good sound out of the 1000 ASP with no success. For great sound, there is just no substitute for a strong analog power supply. Like the review, points out, 1000ASP amps do sound good, just not on level with the H2O.
Eldartford,

Muralman mentioned Henry trying to get good sound out of the 1000ASP, and Henry had told me the same. To expand a bit upon what Vince stated above, the key differences between the two ICE modules 500ASP (in H2o can be purchased without power supply) in which case Henry then designed his analog power supply to best integrate with the ICE module.

If memory serves me correct, the 1000ASP ICE module is ONLY shipped from B&O WITH their switching power supply, and from what I have heard and/or read of that ICE module in other amps in reviews it has not compared favorably. This is what Vince referred to from Srajan about the Jjaz amps that use the 1000ASP module. They just don't sound as good. Or at least not *yet* ...

FWIW - I had also listened to/auditioned the Rowland 201 and 501's and didn't find them to be in the same league as the H2o's... YMMV of course.