Thoughts about these forums


I would like to make a few comments. I have been away from Audiogon for quite a while now and thank all of you who have so warmly welcomed me back.
My absence has been two fold. First my health has made it difficult to be involved on a daily basis. Secondly and far more importantly is a philosophical view of how we use this site.
Over the years a number of us “older” members have had the opportunity to share, grow and learn as audiophiles, as people who enjoy music, as people who share a passion for a hobby and in our communication abilities. I applaud all of us for how far we have come over these past six years, and the incredible knowledge base shared here at the best audio web site on the planet. I also must thank Arnie (founder of A’gon) for his passion and concern for making this work. We once had to shut this site down as the threads lost their direction and purpose, but Arnie stood up and asked twelve members to help rebuild this site with a stronger wiser vision. Many hours have been spent by a large number of people trying to make this the great site it is.
So… so my point. Please let us try to remember what we (some of us) are trying to achieve here at Audiogon. What is the purpose of these threads? For me it’s education and sharing of a passion with other audio people. For me personally I enjoy sharing the experiments in tweaking, this is what I have become known best for. My purpose is education and sharing of experience. I love having constructive conversations with knowledgeable informed and educated people who can push my thinking forward and expand my knowledge through other people’s experiences. I enjoy people who put the effort into learning, pushing the norm to a new level, always trying to improve on the systems and musical qualities our systems present. Constructive discussions with people who have credible experiences are great.
What I dislike about this forum and have always struggled with is the comments made flippantly by people who have no known foundation from which they speak. These people as not educating, they are not growing and they are not enjoyable. They simply live here, under rocks waiting for the opportunity to make comments detrimental to the discussion going on, or they are unhappy people who wish to drag down our enjoyment. Many of these trolls left when the site was shut down and the forums required monitoring, but it is not possible to eliminate them completely, nor would it make an interesting site without all views.
I guess what I’m asking is that those who have nothing constructive to offer, to please leave your keyboards alone. There are plenty of threads available where people are simply chatting and not actually intending to learn. But if there are threads that are exploring ideas with knowledgeable and educated experienced people, leave it alone. We do not need your flippant off color remarks. I hope those of us who want to share and learn can have the respect to be allowed that right. The other option, which I have resorted to is private emails. These are great, but input is limited and thus my opportunity to learn is limited, as is yours.
Do you understand? Please allow truly constructive threads to be just that, Constructive. I am back to try one more time to share my ideas and knowledge and to gleam more wisdom from so many old friends, I just thought I’d ask for the respect we deserve and ask the trolls to leave the educational; threads alone. There are so few truly constructive threads at any one time; we can not afford to lose the momentum of the truly good discussions. There are tons of threads where trolls and the ill informed can do there work.
Just my thoughts as I return to Audiogon, and begin to see the old behavior creep into the couple of places I’m talking right now.

Thanks for your respect
J.D.
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I agree with you 100%. I know it's difficult to adequately convey in writing exactly what you mean and sometimes things can be misunderstood. But I really get turned off at insulting remarks. It seems so....mental. If the troubled souls that resort to this behavior would reach out for help instead, we would help with that too.
Long read;all good. Been here a while;coming up on 6 years. Things have changed a bunch.--Remember voting on the posting??? Today, I don't think Carl_ would last a day !!---Arnie used to enter some threads. (time/to/time) A real classy guy. Wouldn't even know if he's still here. He helped me several times.
I ain't got a clue what goes on behind the curtian. I'd like to see some membership #s--Then an now,kinda thing. I have bought and sold and learned---Which is also WHY, I have bought and sold.
Sure miss Kelly's humor--I guess Slappy has that role now,but that don't mean we couldn't use 2 funny guys.
I spend equal time at avs. They have us beat in so many ways. They list the views on each thread and they got several that have a million views--and responses that number 25 thousand or more.---All this to a particular thread--and there are many threads,with like numbers. When you log on you can see how many are on line at that time---How many,total, members--How many folk,joined that day.-----Sure, posts get deleted over there; guys ain't happy when it happens to their post. What's new?-- The climate from the leadership--You know,the guys behind the curtain--has changed.I guess it had to with so many members;I miss the good old days! "Funny Thing Happened To Me On the Way To The Forum"s See ya over there.
j.d.,

as another of the old gang of twelve, it's good to see you're still kickin'. now, my challenge to you and all the other old farts is to start a thought provoking thread that's not about past threads or what threads are supposed to be about. i'll join in.

-kelly
Good to see you back at Audiogon Jadem6.

I intended to send you an email about a dozen times asking what happened to you. Hope all is well and you will continue to participate.
I, for one, am glad that life, and Audiogon, does not fit into a pidgeon-hole that is defined by any one person. I would just as readily embrace a "serious" conversation about music or some component, as I would welcome a more light-hearted relief, and or humanistic view of this crazy obsessive hobby, either of which I am just as likely to contribute. The day this site become exclusively devoted to "serious" conversations that implies the levity of our hobby is any more or less serious than collecting Hummel figures will be the day I quit (and perhaps other members will rejoice). I am not fond of mean-spirited posts, but in reality they seem few and far between to me. There are many posts that could be construed as ignorant, naive, and or outright stupid. I usually just skip over them, or try to help out if I think I can. It really doesn't take much effort on my part to do that. To expect/request that all contributions strive to conform to some high ideal (perhaps a reasonable ideal by some person's opinion) seems to me as ridiculous as requesting that we all dress alike and drive the same car. It ain't gonna' happen.

Just my two Lincoln's.

Marco