Thoughts about these forums


I would like to make a few comments. I have been away from Audiogon for quite a while now and thank all of you who have so warmly welcomed me back.
My absence has been two fold. First my health has made it difficult to be involved on a daily basis. Secondly and far more importantly is a philosophical view of how we use this site.
Over the years a number of us “older” members have had the opportunity to share, grow and learn as audiophiles, as people who enjoy music, as people who share a passion for a hobby and in our communication abilities. I applaud all of us for how far we have come over these past six years, and the incredible knowledge base shared here at the best audio web site on the planet. I also must thank Arnie (founder of A’gon) for his passion and concern for making this work. We once had to shut this site down as the threads lost their direction and purpose, but Arnie stood up and asked twelve members to help rebuild this site with a stronger wiser vision. Many hours have been spent by a large number of people trying to make this the great site it is.
So… so my point. Please let us try to remember what we (some of us) are trying to achieve here at Audiogon. What is the purpose of these threads? For me it’s education and sharing of a passion with other audio people. For me personally I enjoy sharing the experiments in tweaking, this is what I have become known best for. My purpose is education and sharing of experience. I love having constructive conversations with knowledgeable informed and educated people who can push my thinking forward and expand my knowledge through other people’s experiences. I enjoy people who put the effort into learning, pushing the norm to a new level, always trying to improve on the systems and musical qualities our systems present. Constructive discussions with people who have credible experiences are great.
What I dislike about this forum and have always struggled with is the comments made flippantly by people who have no known foundation from which they speak. These people as not educating, they are not growing and they are not enjoyable. They simply live here, under rocks waiting for the opportunity to make comments detrimental to the discussion going on, or they are unhappy people who wish to drag down our enjoyment. Many of these trolls left when the site was shut down and the forums required monitoring, but it is not possible to eliminate them completely, nor would it make an interesting site without all views.
I guess what I’m asking is that those who have nothing constructive to offer, to please leave your keyboards alone. There are plenty of threads available where people are simply chatting and not actually intending to learn. But if there are threads that are exploring ideas with knowledgeable and educated experienced people, leave it alone. We do not need your flippant off color remarks. I hope those of us who want to share and learn can have the respect to be allowed that right. The other option, which I have resorted to is private emails. These are great, but input is limited and thus my opportunity to learn is limited, as is yours.
Do you understand? Please allow truly constructive threads to be just that, Constructive. I am back to try one more time to share my ideas and knowledge and to gleam more wisdom from so many old friends, I just thought I’d ask for the respect we deserve and ask the trolls to leave the educational; threads alone. There are so few truly constructive threads at any one time; we can not afford to lose the momentum of the truly good discussions. There are tons of threads where trolls and the ill informed can do there work.
Just my thoughts as I return to Audiogon, and begin to see the old behavior creep into the couple of places I’m talking right now.

Thanks for your respect
J.D.
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Welcome back JD, I stopped participating in the forums for a while for several reasons:

1) There was too much censorship by the moderators

2) The same issues are raised time and again, people don't bother to search the archives. I suppose it's easier to start a new thread rather than do a search.

3) To be fair the archives are somewhat limited, many threads are deleted from the system. Disk space is cheap, I'm not not sure why threads are dumped.

4) You cannot post negative cooments about manufacturers so the site starts to look & feel like Stereophile (see #1)

5) Too many home theater queries. I'm an audio guy, don't care for HT at all.

I tend to post answers to issues and music/gear I'm familiar with; I'm biased cuz that's what I've listened to first hand in my home. I'm not rabid when it comes to offering an opinion, I just tell it like it is without gushing; I'm not "floored", and so far my "jaw hasn't dropped".

Many familiar members have stopped participating in the forums, but I've noticed a few old friends come back (e.g. RedKiwi). There are also some really nice folks that have joined over the last few years and made the site more enjoyable. I value the AudioGon community enough to overlook it's shortcomings. Happy listening, Jeff

p.s. I changed my user ID several months ago, I really hated the old one (jeffloistarca). "Hack" is my nickname with my hockey buddies, do me wrong and you'll feel some lumber hehehehe
Welcome back, JD!!! It's great to have your knowledge, passion, and dedication back here on Audiogon. I for one, have missed you dearly in the few years that you have left us. Here's to hoping that you will stay!

All of this being said, what you are asking for goes against my core being. What I value most in this world is freedom. Free thinking, free speech, FREE WILL. It has been man's destiny, talked about for millenia, become doctrine in The Church, granted in our nation's founding declarations, manifested still today. Honesty and trust are the two traits I most admire in people, beyond compassion. Honesty and trust, along with love, are what I consider to be core tenants of true freedom.

What makes Audiogon so powerful is the diversity. The diversity of likes/dislikes, interests, perspectives, opinions, knowledge, experiences, backgrounds, and people. We are ALL enriched by all of this, every one of us. To ask people to conform to whatever standard, beyond the norms of decency (profanity, etc.) goes against my values in freedom.

You are asking people to perhaps be something they are not. I can NEVER allow myself or anyone else to suppress the spirit or nature of another human being. What one wants to say, they should be allowed to say. The community itself can react positively, negatively, or neutrally towards it. Over time, the chips will fall where they may. Some members will gain the respect of those here, some will not. That's life.

With this, I must regrettfully tell you that I disagree with what you have come her to ask for.

That being said, so long as you are amenable, I sincerely hope you and I continue to walk together as friends, as we have always done.
Civility is vastly under rated. I find that it often comes with age as life tarnishes the brashness of youth.

Welcome back.
Representing this forum as an audio Mother Theresa is certainly noble. I've been on both sides of the fence you propose we build. Like many, many others I've learned quite a bit from members and generally try to help in a genuine manner, however, there are those times when one attitude breeds another (please forgive me for failing when tempation arises). Flippancy and humor are necessary for sanity, anger and defensiveness are not. Every time I enter this forum, I'm hoping to learn or help. Never do I search for some thread just to do damage. Certain issues get under the skin of the best of us, take this post for instance. The best of intentions.....
i agree 100% that comments made should be constructive and informative.
the only catch is that there are some very expensive/odd/exotic products on the market that don't deliver for "many" audiophiles/and or those consumers with some common sense. some people involved with these discussions however, swear by these very same products, which is great, and why should that bother me? so, i respect the opinions of others, but otoh, i certainly am not running out to get cryo-cables or little blocks of wood,etc.-- but that's me. either way, if "you" say it makes a difference, i'm happy for you. but "you" can certainly understand that "i" have doubts or concerns, and would rather spend my money elsewhere. -or, NOT SPEND ANY MONEY, which then might raise the hackles on some people's back. THEY might then insist that i'm unwilling to experiment, that i'm close-minded, or unwilling to put my money where my mouth is.
any way you cut it, the issue of money, sometimes big gobs of it, is going to color the discussions. i just hope that if i say i enjoy my tivoli clock radio almost as much as my huge stereo system in the living room, i get an understanding smile of recognition from some readers, rather than derisive snarls from scores of "experts"- the little guy makes beautiful music- and doesn't cost a lot either...imho....