Response to Mr.Piezo from swd (Steve Desper). *** Suggest you get a variac autoformer (variable step-up autoformer) from electronic surplus or your big electronic parts store. You will need a 2000 watt unit or so. These devices are made with a big dial on top that lets you over-volt the output. So if the voltage should drop to 100 or so, just turn the autoformer up to over-volt and get back to 120 volts at the output. I've done this for years to get that extra power needed for realism. *** What is really going on is the extra power (Voltage X Current) is allowing the caps in the amplifiers to charge faster. It's the capacitors that deliver the power within the amplifier, and re-charging them after they have been hit by a demand from a guitar chord, or drum slap enables (or should I say empowers) the transistors or tubes to give full power the next time it is required. In music that can be two or three time a second (the beat goes on...). So try the autoformer. *** Since you are using a tube-head for your instrument here is a trick to try with the autoformer. If you want that saturation sound, that almost distortion sound, that pushed to the limit sound -- but to get it you are too loud for the band, try the autoformer. Hook your (must be) tube amp power cable to the autoformer and LOWER the voltage to around 90 volts or so. Use your own judgement based on the sound you want. You can't hurt the amp. Lowering the voltage will lower the B+ supply voltage inside the amplifier circuit, in effect making the amplifier "think" it is straining to deliver that distorted sound (discribed above), but at a much lower sound level. You see the ear, when hearing slightly distorted or strained sound amplification, interperates this as being a "loud" sound. In fact the distorted sound may measure just as loud (SPL-dB) as a "clean" sound, but the ear hears the distorted sound as if it were louder. That is why folks using amplified guitars like to push it up to high SPL's -- the distortion makes it seem even louder! So use the autoformer to lower the operational voltage of the amplifier and it will distort at a lower sound level, but it will sound louder to the conditioned ear. When miked over a sound-reinforcement-system, you will get the "sound" you want but not washout the singer's microphones or overpower the band. *** Here is a second trick to try if you are using TUBE amplification for your guitar. Go into the amp and remove one of the two output tubes. Yes that's right. If it is a push-pull tube amplifier design, as most are, removing one of the output tubes will give you a distorted sound at reduced levels. Again, only you can judge if this is the sound you want, but sometimes it has done the job for me. *** BTW I'm a mixer *** Here's another trick to try next time you find yourself in a studio session. Take the output of your amp or instrument and split it. That is to say, run two amps from your guitar. One amp you listen to in the studio for monitoring. The second amp will be the one you record. It should be a lttle practice amp with a small 5" or so speaker and a small cabinet. Put a high-quality condenser mic in front of this amp and use its sound for the recording. This works very well if you are playing/recording a bass guitar. The reason is harmonic distribution. The little amp will certainly produce (not reproduce -- that's what we record to do later) the low frequencies of a bass guitar, just that they will be at a low volume. Run the little amp at low volume and isolate it from the band -- put it in an isolation room. You will be amazed at the sound you get on playback in the control room. The high-quality condenser mic (larger diaphram works best) will give you plenty of bottom end, but the beautiful thing is that because you are using a small 5" speaker to begin with, the upper harmonics will be very rich and full. When you RE-PRODUCE your bass over a small radio or car system, because you recorded a 5" speaker to begin with, the 5" speakers in your car system or table radio system will have big, beautiful, full, rich bass. The smaller REPRODUCTION speakers will not be trying to reproduce the sound of a big bass speaker or direct box -- a sound very difficult for a small speaker to reproduce. The smaller REPRODUCTION speaker will be reproducing your small 5" bass PRODUCTION speaker -- not a problem. And the stressing of the upper harmonics (where the beauty of the instrument is) will make the smaller speaker sound as if it is reproducing a deeper bass sound. Also when you reproduce the recorded smaller bass speaker on a big system with genuine deep low end, it will be there because of the quality of the microphone you used. If you doubt me, just play your bass guitar through a small speaker at a low volume and put your ear next to the speaker -- you'll hear deep bass, just as the mic will. *** Since this thread is about POWER -- the most powerful gig I ever mixed produced 200,000 RMS Watts per side. It was a big outdoor event with mega stars. WOW talk about ego, moving those sliders on the mixing console made your heart miss a beat once in a while -- like playing god. What a rush!!! Happy Listening, Steve Desper
More power "better"
I am currently running a pair of Proac Response 1.5's with Classe 5 pre/70 power. They seem to play well and sound good, but I was told that more power would "open them up" and provide more control. I am also wondering at how much power is reasonable and not wasted. I would like to find some older Classe amps with more output but I am also wondering if an amplifier running "pure"class A would sound more powerfull. For example Krell KSA50s as compared to my Classe 70. Tubes also come to mind, but I think that new solid state is damn close if not better(certainly more reliable).If I were to go tube, I'd probably look at VTL MB125's (can't afford the big stuff). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated esp. by those who currently own Proac.
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