Velodyne DD's flying out of owners' houses

I own the DD-10 and will be moving up to a pair of DD-12's due to moving to a larger space. The DD-10 is absolutely incredible, and indestructable if used with common sense. By common sense, I mean that ANY sub (even ones with built-in limiters) can be overdriven only so many times before damage occurs. The problem with some of the tiny supersubs like the DD-10 is that new owners like to push them just to get a feel for what they're capable of doing. After shutting itself off 5,6,7 times in a row, don't be surprised if you damage the amp. The reason this happens less with large subs is because pushing THEM to their max is so obnoxiously loud that you'll only wanna do it a couple of times.

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I'd like to revive this thread and steer it in a different direction. I have looked at the DD manual online, but it's not clear to me how you connect these subs into 2-channel music systems (without LFE). Is it similar to REL (run a second set of speaker cables off your amp to the REL), or do you need to run a second pair of ICs from preamp to the DD? Or do you run your speaker cables to the DD first and then on to your main speakers? The REL system seems best to me in that it does not compromise your 2-channel "architecture", but the DD subs are appealing because of their advanced integration and room correction features.

Second question: how do you know if the 10 is enough or if you should go with the 12 or 15? My hope is to find a used one and try it with both my HT setup (2-channel only using GMA Europas, so it would be a sub and not a .1) and in my audio system with Harbeths. The HT is in a small room (10x16, high ceilings), the audio room is larger (17x23, also high ceilings). I realize these are two very different situations, but I'd like to find something that might work decently in both so I can experiement and see if I really want to add a sub to either or both systems. So maybe a 10 or 12 to start with?

Thanks for any help here.

Drubin - You can set up the Veolodyne in each way you described. I go preamp -> sub -> amp -> speakers. I find the that the sonic gains of high-passing my speakers outweigh the loss of transparency by having the sub in the chain.

Though - if you dont want to mess with the "architecture," just use a preamp output, or run another set of speaker wires from your amp to the sub. You can still do all the room correction with the sub hooked up these ways.

for 17 x 23 x high ceiling, you would want the 15".

for 10 x 16, you want the DD10.

For sub sizes, room volume is everything. If changing it between rooms a lot is a must, go with the DD12.

Thank you!

Have any of you DD owners also owned REL subs? How would you compare their strengths and weaknesses?

Drubin -

I did an exhaustive sub exploration before I ended up with the DD15 that I chose.

I brought a Rel Strata III home (their tightest sub), and I liked it a LOT, but room integration issues... you know how they go. I would have bought it if I didn't encounter the DD series...

I would say that the REL Strata is a HAIR more musical than the velodyne. The bigger subs probably less so. Definitely neck-and-neck here. I am defining musical as: (hi Mr Tennis) tight, articulate (hear notes, not frequencies), and "disappearing" ability.

But - with the Velodyne, you get:
* room correction (this is the deal breaker for me) with auto room-eq ability
* high pass (don't think the rel has this, I may be wrong)
* ability to feed a mono signal for running 2 subs in true stereo
* remote control
* ability to change "profiles" with 1 button. I have different gains,slopes,crossovers, servo settings for:
-> music (rap/electronic, rock, classical/jazz)
-> moves (drama/comedy, action/loud)