Mainstream reviews-why so few?


I have a question as to why certain products, such as the Green Mountain Audio Europa speakers, raved about on audiogon, receive so little mainstream press exposure? Maybe there are several reasons, but I am just curious. Thanks in advance for any comments.
douglasmkatz
there is no logical relationship between advertising and personal preference. one can have a bias against advertised products abd therefore dislike them when experiencing them.

a review or an ad should neither increase nor decrease the probability that a consumer will favor the product.

instead of being prejudiced against reviews or advertising why not just experience the product if the description meets your criteria, regardless of the opinions of a reviewer or the marketing efforts of a manufacturer.

get the facts and then decide for yourself.
Grant - your car metaphor ain't working for me. There are really precious few 'underground' car manufacturers. There are, however, a great abundance of audio maufacturers who produce great stuff who operate without benefit of much advertisting - some with none at all. Much of the reason is that it is much cheaper to manufacture audio gear than it is an automobile (re: "Who Killed the Electric Car", and "Tucker"). I do agree, that a premise for buying like that is a bit silly, but then again, why not...it does not surprise me at all. To each their own. There's plenty of good manufacturers out there who don't advertise and many products that never get reviewed. I agree, eliminating one simply because they do, or they don't seems a bit silly...BUT, in defense of that, I do believe that manufacturers who do advertise absolutely need to charge more for similar products in order to pay for an advertising budget. I'd never heard of the manufacturer of your DAC till you told me about it (thanks again, BTW). If all of a sudden that manufacturer started running regular ads in Stereophile you can bet he'd have to raise his prices to pay for the ads. I like the internet review sites because they seem to seek out some of the more unsung heroes of our hobby, and surely many of those make it more affordable than the utterly ridiculous levels it's reached. I think they are able to do this largely because running an eZine is cheaper than running a magazine with national distribution that depends entirely upon advertising to exist.

Mr. Tennis - some interesting thoughts, as usual. I don't think it will ever come to be that advertising will have no effect on buying whatsoever (that people will be able to ignore that input entirely). I think that's impossible. We're always bound to make meaning out of every little input and detail about a product, whether conscious or subliminal. That may or may not include actual functional and or logical features. Sometimes insignificant features like color, size, materials, typography, design, weight, among many others details, may come into play, whether we know it or not. Advertising is just taking advantage of all that. I'd venture that we'd be doing it anyway, even without advertising. We don't live in a vacuum. Though we might be more prone towards the logical facts of function, I still think we'd be making judgments on all kinds of other silly details. That said, I agree with your underlying premise: "get the facts and then decide for yourself"

Marco
$10K/pair speakers still “compete with models twice their price

So if a $1,000 speaker competes with a model twice it's price ($2,000) but that $2,000 speaker competes with speakers twice IT'S price ($4,000) which compared to a speaker twice IT'S price ($8,000) ....... Well, then I guess that $1,000 speaker compares to just about anything.

Hey if sales are rolling along, why mess it up with potentially bad review or spec's which reveal poor design?
Marco, Bartokfan wrote that he will not consider any audio product that is advertised in an audio magazine that reviews equipment. Period. His blanket statement stands on its own and is fundamentally different from your example of boutique audio companies who cannot afford to advertise. I will admit my auto example was extreme, but it was made to emphasize the point.

Other than the cost to place an ad, what's the difference between advertising on the pages of a review magazine or advertising on the webpage of an eZine that reviews gear? The premise of Bartokfan's resistance is the same in either scenario.

Has anyone considered the possibility that some manufacturers advertise AFTER one of their products has been positively reviewed? This makes common business sense to me, and one manufacturer that comes to mind is Channel Islands Audio. I don't recall if Dusty Vawter ever placed an ad after the positive reviews he has received, but this would be an illustrative example.
Because , from my limited experience and a perspective built up over 30 yrs around stereo, eqip that is featured in full page ads and as well featured in the mags reviews, all this eqip tends to be much less than the expectations I had hoped for.
I only purchased one stereo mag in the past 20 yrs, and that was for the Tyler Linbrook Systems 2 review by Sally Reyonlds.
And that was the only thing I read or looked at in the Stereophile issue.
If a brand is featured in a mag, its very likely not in my consideration.
Cayin as mentioned would be the rare exception. But you really do not see many of their ads in a mag. Besides whatever they say is the god honest truth. No fluff, no hype.
End of rant