Small room, "budget priced" speaker advice, please


Hi,

I recently sold my dearly beloved, old Vandersteen 2C's here on Audiogon (and I hope SgtPeppers is loving them at this moment!) :-) I did this because in our remodeled house, my new listening room (which will double as a guest room) is just too small for the 2C's. The Spousal Acceptance Factor was just too low. ;-)

I have a PS Audio Elite-Plus integrated amp for power (around 70 W/Ch) and a soon-to-be-shipped-off-for-a-refurb Sota Sapphire for an analog front end (I have "miles" of vinyl)! I will also get a CD player at some point.

For now, I need to find a pair of best-of-breed, truly "budget" speakers. By "budget," I'm talking upper limit of $850/pair. (Gone are my free-spending, single days... I'm a dad now...) :-)

Listening habits: lots of 60's and 70's folk and rock, some jazz, Donald Fagen/Steely Dan, a little classical. Listening volume: not too loud. Sonic preferences: I value transparency and imaging/soundstage. Bass should be accurate above all, as opposed to chest-pounding powerful.

I've looked at Paradigms, which I know are highly regarded at lower price points. Trouble is, our one, local dealer is primarily a TV/home theater outfit, so you're trying to hear them in a showroom crammed with other stuff... you know the drill. I've also hit a high end shop. Listened to a pair of PSB small towers and disliked them; they sounded muddy and veiled to me. Listened to a pair of the smallest Rega's and liked them quite a bit, but would want to go back to listen again. I even wrote to PS Audio for advice; they recommended the "baby" Epos monitors, but they're out of my price range.

Thanks if you've read this far. Knowing how subjective all this is, I'd still welcome any advice you have to offer about what I should try to audition.
rebbi
Mapman,

I dunno about the Totem Arro, because although there are two Totem dealers here in Austin, neither stocks the Arro! So I'm extrapolating from the Dreamcatchers that I did get to hear, and from the copious rave reviews I've read. Everybody seems to agree that their imaging is phenomenal, albeit in that "etched, precise," "great stereo" kind of way. So I'm running on some guesswork and second-hand advice, here!
Well, you probably have a win scenario at this point no matter which way you go. You obviously know what your looking for when you hear it.
Mapman wrote:

"I was wondering if you know whether the Ohms you heard were original (series 1 which first arrived in the early 80's), series 2, which I think started in the early-mid 90's through ~ 2005 or 2006, or series 3, which have only been available for a couple of years?"

Best answer I can give:

His main speakers are the Walsh 4, I believe, the really big ones from the 1980s. But, a few years ago he removed the CLS drivers and returned them to the factory for a "complete rebuild and upgrade" - whatever that means. So I cannot vouch for the actual model or vintage of these speakers. While the speakers themselves go down to the low 30s, being a bass hog, he has a giant SVS sub hooked up in the system and the pairing is really impressive for those instances when the program material dips into the 20s or below. But I digress...

He also has about 5 year old Micro Walsh Talls set up as his rear speakers for HT and multichannel audio duty. Their characteristic sound is not unlike their older and bigger brothers, but with less authority. These are all driven by fairly powerful Hafler and Dynaco amps with a Yamaha receiver serving as the processor/pre.

To elaborate on why I think the Ohm speakers might be more forgiving of what comes up stream, my friend and I have a running argument going about the efficacy of premium wires and digital sources (I am for, he is against), and have played around with different combinations on his system. Turns out I find that it is much more difficult to identify sound signatures of different ICs and front ends in his system than in my system that has modest but decent electronics and custom speakers with quality dynamic drivers in a sealed cabinet - about as far as you can get from the Ohm's presentation. I also find it easier to tell these differences in other dynamic speaker based systems compared with the Ohms.

Don't get me wrong his system and the Ohm-Walsh speakers sound terrific. But the Ohms always bounce the sound off everything - sometimes giving me the feeling I am hearing the sound reflected off two back walls, the one in the studio or concert hall and the one in the listening space. I guess I prefer greater pinpointing of instruments and their reflections in the recording space during play back. But again, to each their own.
Knownothing, a few things I can add:

Micro walshes were the first "series 3" model released I believe and all micro walshes are series 3. As I understand it from John Strohbeen, Ohm owner and principal Walsh series designer, the difference between series 2 and 3 is in the tweeter only, so I would expect much of the overall presentation to be very similar between series 2 and 3.

Series 1, which would include original Walsh 2s, 4s and 5s from th 80's, are an older Walsh design and I can clearly assert much inferior in regards to imaging accuracy and overall timbre.

If the 4's were rebuilt in the 90's, I suspect there is a good chance they are series 2. Your friend would probably know for sure what the difference was when they were rebuilt.

Regarding, cables, I hear huge differences with different interconnects from my digital sources using the Ohms or my Dynaudio Contour 1.3 monitors, perhaps even to larger extent with the Ohms since they are more full range, but I have not done sufficient experimentation with speaker wires to say much about that.

I suspect the differences with speaker wire is less significant in that I am using premium Audioquest cv-6 wires to my Dynaudios but all other speakers , including both pair of Ohm Walsh are in different rooms from my electronics and hook up through rather industrial grade in-wall wiring. The Ohms have such a large soundstage and image so well, in their own special way, that I do not notice any adverse effects despite the big $$$ cost in the wires feeding them.

Also, amplification makes a huge difference with Ohms, more so with my larger Ohm 5's than my 2's. You need high current and significant damping factor for audiophile results at most volumes with the 5's. The 2's are not as fussy those these things still help. The micros are smaller than the 2's and I suspect even less sensitive to current and damping factor specifications accordingly.

Your description of the Walsh speakers imaging and sound stage signature is fairly accurate. The effects of studio or concert hall acoustics on recordings are what they are. The Ohms will reproduce this more so than other speakers perhaps. They will also present this in a manner that depends more so on the signature of the room they are playing in and this will change based on speaker location.

To me, the imaging characteristics of the Ohms are what make them special and exciting. They actually capture the sound of the original recording environment and translate it accurately into your room. The trick is to realize this fact and not resist it and use it to your advantage when setting things up and listening.

Short of listening back in the original environment recorded in (impossible), what more could one ask for? As a long time Ohm affectionado for this reason mainly, it is very hard for me to stay interested for long periods of listening to most any other system I hear, save those perhaps which cost tens of thousands of dollars more.