Small room, "budget priced" speaker advice, please


Hi,

I recently sold my dearly beloved, old Vandersteen 2C's here on Audiogon (and I hope SgtPeppers is loving them at this moment!) :-) I did this because in our remodeled house, my new listening room (which will double as a guest room) is just too small for the 2C's. The Spousal Acceptance Factor was just too low. ;-)

I have a PS Audio Elite-Plus integrated amp for power (around 70 W/Ch) and a soon-to-be-shipped-off-for-a-refurb Sota Sapphire for an analog front end (I have "miles" of vinyl)! I will also get a CD player at some point.

For now, I need to find a pair of best-of-breed, truly "budget" speakers. By "budget," I'm talking upper limit of $850/pair. (Gone are my free-spending, single days... I'm a dad now...) :-)

Listening habits: lots of 60's and 70's folk and rock, some jazz, Donald Fagen/Steely Dan, a little classical. Listening volume: not too loud. Sonic preferences: I value transparency and imaging/soundstage. Bass should be accurate above all, as opposed to chest-pounding powerful.

I've looked at Paradigms, which I know are highly regarded at lower price points. Trouble is, our one, local dealer is primarily a TV/home theater outfit, so you're trying to hear them in a showroom crammed with other stuff... you know the drill. I've also hit a high end shop. Listened to a pair of PSB small towers and disliked them; they sounded muddy and veiled to me. Listened to a pair of the smallest Rega's and liked them quite a bit, but would want to go back to listen again. I even wrote to PS Audio for advice; they recommended the "baby" Epos monitors, but they're out of my price range.

Thanks if you've read this far. Knowing how subjective all this is, I'd still welcome any advice you have to offer about what I should try to audition.
rebbi
KN,

I think there is a lot of validity and insight to the assertions on the Morrison site regarding nature of recordings and stereo playback.

I would still assert though that recordings are what they are in regards to how miked, mixed etc. Good stereo recordings that apply or approach the two mike configuration sound phenominal on omnis (or pseudo omnis like the Ohms which intentionally attenuate the output towards the walls to make placement easier). This is where there is the biggest gap between omnis and conventional designs, in my opinion. Conventional designs cannot approach omnis, in my opinion, in the ideal scenario, as described by Morrison.

Listen to a good two miked Mercury Living Presence recording on a pair of Ohms, and welcome to a place that few systems have ever gone before.

In the much more common scenario where more complex mikings are used in recordings, omnis will still deliver the image location information better than conventional designs, but the difference is more marginal. Those used to conventional designs will more likely levitate to the imaging inherent in these rather than omnis, because it comes across as more pinpoint, at least in the horizontal dimension (I'd argue about the vertical dimension even in this case, however, and this is where much of the difference is between the omnis and box designs in this case).

I'd take issue with Morrison in describing the more common recording scenario as a "jumble" in that this infers a lack of imaging precision or accuracy, whereas there can be and often is imaging precision in these recordings, however it is based on the whims of the person who did the mix rather than on any inherent natural location of instruments.

Then there are the recordings that are miked and mixed in a more complex manner AND it is done poorly. Traditional box designs will do a better job of masking this due to their inherent imaging limitations even though the garbage is still there. Omnis will let the garbage "shine through", for whatever it may be worth.
Mapman, the Morrison speaker line has been somewhat below the radar screen, which is why you may not have heard about them. To the extent that his omni-directional point source speakers share concepts with Duevel and others, there may be similarities. I own the Model 7, and the experience of listening to music through them is a real "ear-opener": no endless fussing to find the sweet spot, no constant micro-measuring to find the perfect placement in the room. Taming room reflection points and spending a little time experimenting with finding a good spot for the speakers is all it takes.
Jpaik,

What you describe with Morrisons is very similar to the Ohm experience.

Ohm describes their Walsh wide-range drivers as a "Coherent Line Source", not a point source, though I think the difference here is marginal.

Ohm wide-range Walsh driver omni-output is also attenuated in the direction of the walls as I mentioned.

Ohm uses a separate tweeter (non-omni) for the very top end and this fires 45 degrees inward in a standard placement. I think I recall in some Walsh speakers, they may place the tweeter in an upward firing configuration similar to Morrison and Dueval, I believe, but I think this is by special requestl I believe, and more common for use in surround systems than two channel stereo.

Not sure why Ohm doesn't just aim the tweeter up and use a diffusion device of some sort to disperse 360 degrees along with the Walsh driver, like I think the Morrisons and Duevals do. Maybe for ease of placement due to the apparent Ohm focus on controlling early reflections from walls.

Morrisons appear to use a more sophisticated porting design than the Ohms. Would like to hear that in comparison though I have no grievances regarding bass on the Ohms when used with proper amplification.
I've heard a few of the Naim label recordings with just a stereo pair of mics. Some performances come out nice, but many of them had muddy balances between instruments, or were just swimming in natural reverb... I like minimally mic'd drums, but rooms-only is tough to pull off. Anyway, they're fun to check out.

I'd like to hear the Morrison speakers, but: "...And yes, there should be room treatment on the side walls to tame the first reflection. A couple of chunks of convoluted foam glued to a sturdy backing of cardboard or Coraplast work like a charm." Not after my recent renovation, but with a dedicated room, I bet these speakers could be fun..

I was definitely pretty blown away by mbl's but I think Knownothing is onto something about the compatibility of (most) recordings and omnis. I'd like to hear a stereo mix made on a pair of omni speakers.
ZK,

All I can say with certainty is that EVERY recording (good, bad and in-between) sounds more lifelike or "live" on my Ohms than any other speaker I've owned concurrently (Maggie, B&W, Dynaudio, Triangle) and been able to do direct a/b comparison with. The unique "like the performers are there" aspect not available in conventional speaker design is what attracts people to the omni design in general, I believe.

Others happy with attributes of conventional stereo speakers may not be attracted to omnis.

So omni's are not for everyone. Different strokes for different folks. Thats what makes the world go round, including the world of audio.