Small room, "budget priced" speaker advice, please


Hi,

I recently sold my dearly beloved, old Vandersteen 2C's here on Audiogon (and I hope SgtPeppers is loving them at this moment!) :-) I did this because in our remodeled house, my new listening room (which will double as a guest room) is just too small for the 2C's. The Spousal Acceptance Factor was just too low. ;-)

I have a PS Audio Elite-Plus integrated amp for power (around 70 W/Ch) and a soon-to-be-shipped-off-for-a-refurb Sota Sapphire for an analog front end (I have "miles" of vinyl)! I will also get a CD player at some point.

For now, I need to find a pair of best-of-breed, truly "budget" speakers. By "budget," I'm talking upper limit of $850/pair. (Gone are my free-spending, single days... I'm a dad now...) :-)

Listening habits: lots of 60's and 70's folk and rock, some jazz, Donald Fagen/Steely Dan, a little classical. Listening volume: not too loud. Sonic preferences: I value transparency and imaging/soundstage. Bass should be accurate above all, as opposed to chest-pounding powerful.

I've looked at Paradigms, which I know are highly regarded at lower price points. Trouble is, our one, local dealer is primarily a TV/home theater outfit, so you're trying to hear them in a showroom crammed with other stuff... you know the drill. I've also hit a high end shop. Listened to a pair of PSB small towers and disliked them; they sounded muddy and veiled to me. Listened to a pair of the smallest Rega's and liked them quite a bit, but would want to go back to listen again. I even wrote to PS Audio for advice; they recommended the "baby" Epos monitors, but they're out of my price range.

Thanks if you've read this far. Knowing how subjective all this is, I'd still welcome any advice you have to offer about what I should try to audition.
rebbi
Mapman,

I'm going to try to "finesse" the WAF by surreptitiously moving the media cabinet out from the wall, too, to disguise the fact that the speakers are now further out. LOL!

Really, the Arro's sound awfully nice so far... I'm delighted at the prospect that they'll continue to improve as they're broken in.
Rebbi,

Good to hear back from you. What a great move on the amplifier - I am pretty sure the Unico will be a great match for the Arros.

Mapman and others are right on with their advice about placement - when I first heard the Arros disappear into the room, they were three to four feet from the front wall and toed in a bit if I recall. before sweating further over exact placement, I would let them run for the prescribed 150 hours to allow the drivers to loosed up and provide most of what you are going to be hearing for the life of the speakers. I think added hours will provide more air around the hi end and more authority to the low end. Once they are broken in, I would add the suggested steel shot or sand to the cabinet and then move them around to get the optimal placement for imaging, bass reinforcement and WAF (sounds backwards, but you want the ballast in before determining final resting place).

As for wires - the Arro system I heard that sounded just terrific had Musical Fidelity electronics, Audioquest Diamondback interconnects and mid grade Audioquest speaker wires. This is funny because while I own Diamondbacks I do not think of them as the soundstage champs - resolution, precise instrument placement, tone and "air" yes. Soundstage breadth and depth, not terrible but not the best I have ever heard on mere mortal speakers. I think the Arros disappear so well, this was really not a problem, and they benefited from the positive virtues of the Diamondbacks. Unfortunately, these cables are no longer the bargain they were and have basically doubled in price over the last year. You might be able to find some used for under $100. I also use Audioquest Type 4 bulk speaker cables which sound really nice for $4/ft. Their sins are mostly of omission rather than coloring the sound one way or the other.

For a screaming deal on discontinued Audioquest products that should perform similar to the Diamondback and better than the Type 4 speaker wire, I would check out HCM Audio http://hcmaudio.com/hcm.asp where you can get both decent 1m interconnects and an 8ft. pair of speaker cables for under $150 total! It took a long time for my Type 4 cables to break in, but then I am running 30 ft. to each speaker(!)

There are many other wires out there that don't cost as much as your amp or speakers but will preform better than the old Monster cables - these are just a couple of modest suggestions.

Good luck and happy listening!
Knownothing,

Great to hear from you again, too! Wow, the stuff on the HCM site is really "cheap" (by the crazy standards of this hobby). ;-)

Anybody know anything about the Audioquest Coral CQ interconnects and GBC speaker cables? I really could take care of the whole system at this point for around $150!
Hey Rebbi - Nice score with the Unico - I had a feeling that would be a good match for you. Glad to hear that the Arros are working out, sound like they have a lot more breaking in to do. By the time they loosen up, you'll probably find the sweet spot (yes, away from that back wall!)- you'll be good to go.

I don't know if Kimber will work well in your system, but I just matched up some 4TC speakers cables with my old PBJs, and I really like what I hear (I went from AP Clear Ovals).
Rebbe,

Tube amplification for the Arros was definitely a good move.

Audioquest is a safe bet for ICs and cables.

Here's another option on Ebay if needed.

http://stores.ebay.com/essentialhifitweak_W0QQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

I use DNM Reson and Harmonic Technology ICs acquired from this vendor cost effectively to good effect. I've found their product description to be pretty accurate based on experience.

The particular strength of the DNM Reson compared to Audioquest is PRAT (pace, rhythm, tempo). I was skeptical that an IC could actually provide this prior, but the DNM Resons in comparison to MIT interconnects in particular have made me a believer.

Audioquest may provide a bit brighter sound with more detail. My speaker cables and ID from my Roku Soundbridge are both Audioquest.

I like Harmonic Technology for overall neutrality as well, and use this brand between my amp and pre, but these are a bit more pricey.