Size matters Smaller that is


Hello,

Today I was at my local dealer listening to the most recent Sonus Faber Amati's. Wow what a beutiful speaker with quality exuding from everywhere. They were set up in the main listening room with Mcintosh 1.2"s and Mcintosh C1000T driving them, the source was also the reference Mcintosh player. The dealer put some Norah Jones on and off we went. I have to say that as good as the Amati's are to my ear they SLIGHTLY suffer from sounding a little closed in and boxy. By contrast my Sonus Faber Guarneri sound free, warm, and wonderfully open. This could be in part to my use of Mcintosh tube gear, but in general I find that larger speakers have to work very hard (Read expensive) to get out of there own way. I know no one speaker has it all, but in general I find that driven by first class electronics a smaller speaker is music to my ears. Where larger speakers also sound fantastic, but in general not as open and alive. Could also just be a Guarneri "Thing". My two cents anyway.

Regards
nocaster
Well put. I did find the Amatis very warm but not the most clear. My Guarneri sound very clear & warm
small speakers are nice, and a lot of fun, but i've found you have to be able to move some air to get it done right.
I know what you mean about "Move some air to get it done right". In my case to get it done right I prefer a nice glass of Amarone to accompany the music (ha ha). I think in the end there is probably no absolute solution to obtaining the best hi fi, only the best solution for your particular budget and taste.
Nocaster, I think you have great taste. The Sonus Faber loudspeakers have always managed to defy (up to a point) the conventional wisdom about pistonic area vs. inner detail and dynamic range. Their first salvo, the Extrema in the early '90s, was a small baffle, deep cabinet, stand mounted 2-way with passive radiator that confounded the reviewers at Stereophile, as it had all the performance of a big floor-standing speaker in a small package. It just missed being full-range Class A by a few Hertz, as its bass managed to extend into the mid-20s and yet had a dynamic range to do justice to full orchestra and big band. Definitely my kind of speaker.

Yet, with two small drivers on a small baffle, you get advantages of the coherence of a virtual point source that no line of woofers can duplicate. Here are the Stereophile measurements of the Guarneri Memento and here are the measurements of the Focal Electra 1037 Be. The Focal has all the advantages you expect of the larger 3-way speaker with three woofers--4 db more sensitive and bass extension down to about 30 Hz (vs. about 40 Hz for the Guarneri). The frequency response curves show both speakers to be admirably linear.

But two other graphs indicate where the Guarneri would be particularly endearing.

The spectral decay plots show the Guarneri to have a fairly inert cabinet, whereas the Focal has a large panel resonance at 344 Hz. This resonance would partly undo the Focal's sensitivity advantage, as this panel resonance (measured on all 4 cabinet sides) would obscure detail in that range when the music gets loud. This is often typical of floor standing speakers, as resonance control is a bigger challenge on big cabinet panels than on small.

Now look at the step response graphs of the two speakers, which is a pretty good indicator of phase coherence. The Guarneri M puts out a very smooth slope, indicative of all the sound reaching you at the same time. You very seldom see a step response like this, and only from speakers specifically designed to address it. The Focal step response OTOH is a jumble of peaks, showing that the tones of the various drivers arrive at the listening position at distinctly different arrival times.

So you have to pick your poison--dynamic range and a little more bass extension (advantage Focal) or intimacy and clarity and phase coherency (advantage Guarneri). I for one can easily understand why Nocaster would gladly sacrifice a few bottom end Hz and a little dynamic range for the absolutely seductive and addictive sensation of phase coherent loudspeakers and the additional clarity of a more inert cabinet. There is nothing else like it and it's hard to go back once you've experienced it.
Johnnyb53 I could not have said it better myself. Thank you for all the great info and explaining in no uncertain terms what the charm of the Guarneri is. Now that my Guarneri are being driven by my new amps and preamp (Mcintosh MC2301's & Mcintosh C1000T) they have turned into instruments as opposed to speakers. It's hard to explain but....I have listened to alot of great systems over the years, the latest being the reference system at my local Mcintosh dealer. They had the Sonus Faber Amati Anniversario set up with two Mcintosh 2K monoblocs through a Mcintosh C1000T preamp. The system sounded great, but it sounded a little boxy and clarity was not like my Guarneri, dynamics however were great. My Guarneri have always been more like an organic listening experience as opposed to just a GREAT stereo. As I was listening to my system yesterday I became so emotionally involved with the music I forgot about the equipment! I just think they got it right with the Guarneri, simple as that for me. Also, on the other hand the MC2301's and the C1000T are from another world. But that's another story..............