Jazz for aficionados

***** I think all this goes back to what is really important and what I tried explain in my previous post: it's really knowing how to identify really good music making that matters most. *****

This is not what matters most.  Identifying and sharing music that a person likes, or even dislikes, is what matters most.


Good vs Bad music:

Ravel said "there is no music there' referring to his composition 'Bolero'.   I'll admit it did cause riots in Paris.  People took their music a little more serious back then. :)
Tchaikovsky didn't think much of '1812'.   I think he said he was sorry he wrote it.

So, sometimes, declaring music bad, for whatever reason,  could be just one person's opinion.  Even if that person composed it!!  The great unwashed may beg to disagree.

The Bey Sisters being prime examples, on this thread,  of how greatness can be trashed, in  the name of technical correctness. :)

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*****  Time and time again I have seen music posted on this thread that fits into a poster's favorite style and it seems that simply by that virtue alone that posted music gets automatically bumped up to "good" in that poster's mind when it is simply mediocre or worse.****

Some examples would be nice.

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*****   It really is true:  "there are only two kinds of music, good and bad".  *****

In the ear of the listener,  this is absolutely true.   And I think this is what the quote means.   There is no definitive 'list' of the good and bad.

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Rok, I forgot to include, "The Frogman's Reality", and you forgot to include "The Frogman's Kind of Music"; now I guess you want to know what I mean by that. Since I'm not quite sure, you'll have to discern for your self.

Frogman speaks "MUSIC", and that's a language I never took; hear tell they taught it at Julee Yard, that's that school in New York where them classical musicians go to. My huntin dog perks his ears up when Frogman speaks. Did I tell about Mutt? He's my huntin dog that I read to, and I always tell him, "This is what Frogman said", and his ears perk right up; when Frogman speaks, he listens.





Enjoy the music.

We are lucky to have The Frogman on this thread.  He is a professional Jazz and Classical Player.   And I do know that making a living as a Musician is not an easy thing to do.   Esp in a place like NYC, where the entire world is trying to make a career in music.. If he was not very, very good, he would not work.   No room there for 'pretty good'.

Therefore:  EVERYTHING The frogman says about music is true.  We can place more or less emphasis on things as pertains to our own taste in music, but what he says is Gospel.

If he says a group is out of tune, then, they are out of tune.  If you like them in spite of that, that's cool.   That's your right to like music that appeals to you.  We all have that right.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts.  That's why I don't think the term 'reality' is appropriate.  Reality means 'real', which to me, means FACTUAL.  

 We can't have differences of FACT over who is the best  Jazz Trumpet.  We can never know the Best.   We can just give our opinion.   AND, opinions is order to be valid, have to be in the realm of the possible.  You say Morgan, he says Hubbard, and I say Armstrong.  All are within the realm of the possible.  They are all valid opinions.

Naming some guy who plays locally in a club, is not a valid opinion.

And let's remember this is the season of:
Peace on Earth, Good Will towards all Aficionados

Cheers