How to upgrade in pieces - or - tell me about your journey!


Hello

I am getting started on my journey into Hifi here and I would be willing to spend about 10k over the course of a couple of years to get my system from where it is today to something a step or two above. I intend for my system to always be a stereo system at heart and also for it to stay all digital (no intention of tape, tuner or vinyl - or eveb a CD player).

My current systems is a Sonos playing Tidal or lossless FLAC files from a NAS drive. The audio outputs of the Sonos get connected to a Jolida JD-202A which is a 40W class AB tube integrated. The speakers are Energy floorstanders.

I am happy for how the system sounds with a limited number of things - such as vocal heavy folk or classic rock (pre-70s) recorded in mono. It sounds integrated across the drivers with no one element of the speaker standing out. The soundstage is narrow, but the imaging is not bad.

Unfortunately, a vast majority of the music I listen to includes
  • A lot of baroque music. So the orchestra sizes are relatively small, but the vocals and melody lines are very nimble and need to be easy to follow for the counterpoint to show.
  • modern electronic music - not dance floor fillers - but more experimental stuff ranging from IDM (Autechre, Chris Clark, Squarepusher) to ambient (Brian Eno, Max Richter)
  • A good bit of classic jazz from the Miles Davis, Coltrane, Ornette Coleman and Herbie Hancock school.
  • Lots of modern pop & rock - including bands like Wilco, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Sufjan Stevens, The National, Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead who include pretty much whatever the hell they want in their music.
My goals are to get a cohesive & well-integrated sound with lots of growl in the lower frequencies and a lots of treble with no "heat" or sizzle to give that sense of extreme clarity. Imaging & dynamics are more important than a massive soundstage, though I would like off axis sound to not be completely unlistenable so that me & a couple of friends can all sit or stand by the couch and enjoy the music. I am much more interested in clear, fast and articulate bass and to have that which exists have power rather than the speaker trying to reproduce things they are going to do a terrible job at. I am happy to supplement my speakers with a JL or REL sub in the future.

So based on wanting to hear the clarity I hear in my headphones (HD650 with a headphone amp) with a similar amount of articulate bass, I want to upgrade my main stereo system in pieces. I want to go about it in the following fashion, knowing that there will be times in the middle of the process where the system will be less than ideal.

  • First, purchase a DAC (looking at the Ayre Codex) & start feeding the Sonos output through that into the amplifier.
  • Second, upgrade the speakers. I am looking to eventually end up with fairly high power solid state, so I am considering the Revel F206 or F208 speakers. I know they will fail to deliver much with my amp and be on the quiet side, but I hope that once I swap out the amp, they will start to sing.
  • Third, find a power amp that can do at least 200W into 8 ohms. Perhaps the Bryston 4BSST2, Plinius, Parasound A21 or Benchmark power amp. Or maybe even a Mcintosh 402. Connect the DAC-pre directly into it via XLR to drive the speakers.
  • Fourth, replace the sonos with a Aurelic Aeries Mini and use the USB out of that device into the Ayre Codex as I hear that it makes a much better sound.
  • Lastly, consider putting a pre-amplifier into the path if necessary and I need expansion options (or if the sound quality of the dac suffers badly due to chopped off bits at low volumes)

So my final system would likely look like

Aurelic Aeries (Mini) -> Ayre Codex DAC -> (Ayre Pre-amp) -> Bryston/Parasound/Plinius/Benchmark/Mcintosh amp -> Revel Performa 3 F208.

I expect this whole process to last me about a couple of years.

Does this sound like a journey worth embarking upon? Anything there that sounds to like it would be a really dumb idea?
badri
Excellent.   Sounds like subdudes are doing their thing.   Now you are in a much better place to assess from here.

Not familiar with those speakers specifically but I am pretty sure you can do better without necessarily spending a fortune.  
About four years ago, with the kids’ college expenses behind me, I started my journey into the higher end of our hobby, with the purchase of the NAD Masters Series components, a Velodyne sub woofer and a pair of Totem Fire monitors.

I was immediately struck by how the NAD SACD player make all my regular CDs sound better, which started me on my journey to "go digital". With that purchase, I had my eyes opened to the difference a DAC could make.
For a long time I’ve lusted after McIntosh equipment and before taking my first step in that direction, told my wife I wasn’t sure it would sound "better" than the NAD, but it would sound "different"; Wow, I was wrong about that! The DAC in my MCD500 was even better then the one in the NAD. When I upgraded to the McIntosh integrated, it just sounded more "musical" to me.

So I started my search for a dedicated external DAC and have enjoyed a PS Audio DirectStream DAC, which really improved the detail I never knew was recorded onto my CDs.
I have transitioned from the CD player, now have a music server, AC power re-generator, McIntosh separates, a pair of Focal Sopra 2 floor standing speakers and a pair of JL Audio F113V2 subs, all connect with Wireworld cabling, (most of my purchases in 2015). I’ve also ordered a Bryston headphone amp, to power the HD800’s better.

So that’s my journey, in a nutshell.
@ejr1953 Thank you so much for sharing that. In a sense, I think we might be on a similar trajectory, in that I started with the source first. Getting a lossless stream to a good quality DAC has already made a big difference in sound. Since the rest of the chain can only show what the source provides, I think you going for a good SACD player and me for a good n/w streamer and a good DAC are similar in that sense.

You seem to have a rather lovely system now. I know McIntosh gets polarising reviews on here, but what a system sounds like is a personal thing between your system and your ears. I hope you are enjoying yours!

As for me, I look forward to moving to my speakers next. :)