O-10, to quote Rok himself in the Brubeck thread:
****First, this is not an argument. It’s a discussion. ****
A very good discussion in that thread, btw; of the kind that, frankly, I wish we had more of here. To quote Rok again (imagine that ☺️), "words matter". Let’s try and not be so quick to blame others for misinterpreting what we write. I think it would be far more productive if we tried to be clear about with what we write so that we don’t have to keep going back to the same tired issues like that of your musician friend who supposedly didn’t practice. Again? Yikes! 😬
re Brubeck:
I love Brubeck. Of course it’s jazz and it is obviously good jazz. I love Paul Desmond even more. But it’s a different kind of jazz that is more genteel and SEEMINGLY (!!!!) more disciplined and "controlled" than the jazz represented by...let’s, for lack of a better term, refer to it as "Blue Note" jazz. This goes to some of what is at the root of some of the disagreements here about jazz and segues nicely (I think! Coffee hasn’t kicked in yet this morning....sorry) to the Marcia Ball clips:
O-10, your description of Ball and her possible influences is spot on; in answer to your question, I think you gave an excellent description of her music. The problem for me is that she, while she is clearly having fun and is a good singer, is just too....dare I say it?.... white, for that music; not enough grease in her singing (her tenor player has some grease ’though)..
Grease:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65nDprifGek
One of my all time favorite Jazz quotes: When asked how he got that amazing sound on the alto, Paul Desmond said: "I try and sound like a dry martini".
Polyunsaturated:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ak2aOWiYUo
****First, this is not an argument. It’s a discussion. ****
A very good discussion in that thread, btw; of the kind that, frankly, I wish we had more of here. To quote Rok again (imagine that ☺️), "words matter". Let’s try and not be so quick to blame others for misinterpreting what we write. I think it would be far more productive if we tried to be clear about with what we write so that we don’t have to keep going back to the same tired issues like that of your musician friend who supposedly didn’t practice. Again? Yikes! 😬
re Brubeck:
I love Brubeck. Of course it’s jazz and it is obviously good jazz. I love Paul Desmond even more. But it’s a different kind of jazz that is more genteel and SEEMINGLY (!!!!) more disciplined and "controlled" than the jazz represented by...let’s, for lack of a better term, refer to it as "Blue Note" jazz. This goes to some of what is at the root of some of the disagreements here about jazz and segues nicely (I think! Coffee hasn’t kicked in yet this morning....sorry) to the Marcia Ball clips:
O-10, your description of Ball and her possible influences is spot on; in answer to your question, I think you gave an excellent description of her music. The problem for me is that she, while she is clearly having fun and is a good singer, is just too....dare I say it?.... white, for that music; not enough grease in her singing (her tenor player has some grease ’though)..
Grease:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65nDprifGek
One of my all time favorite Jazz quotes: When asked how he got that amazing sound on the alto, Paul Desmond said: "I try and sound like a dry martini".
Polyunsaturated:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ak2aOWiYUo