Jazz for aficionados

Frogman, that's been one of my favorites since it came out; the words to that song offer so much insight into living with the opposite sex, and it's so beautiful. Phil Woods sax solo is fantastic, it made that song a hit.

Enjoy the music.

Learsfool, great comments and we have no fundamental disagreement. I love the Picasso/Stravinsky comment; perfect! Don't mean to go round in circles re Wynton; no question that he is an amazing musician. I think the difference of opinion is really a question of degree and where one personally draws the line crossing over to greatness. Again, time will tell if, fifty or one hundred years from now, jazz lovers will buy his recordings alongside those of Clifford and Miles; and if jazz students will be transcribing his solos. Which brings up an aspect of all this that is related to your other great comparison; Wynton/Strauss, and why I think we are drawing that line in different places. As you know (especially being a horn player), Strauss wrote not only some amazing horn parts, but some of the most beautiful, rapturous and almost impossibly gorgeous music. If ever I have a criticism of his music (especially when playing it) is that it is almost too much beauty. This is something that is difficult to put into words and is almost like eating two portions of some incredible dessert; incredible, but after a while you just have to put the fork down. No composer was better at prolonging a harmonic resolution. Because of this my favorite Strauss tends to be the shorter operas (Salome, Elektra) and his tone poems. Still, and in spite of all that beauty much of which, as you point out, is derivative I can hear just a few bars of even unfamiliar Strauss and know that it is Strauss; either because of the shape of the melodies or (usually) those wonderful chord voicings and the sudden and unexpected dissonances. Likewise, it is easy to know, after only a few bars of a solo, when it is Miles, or Morgan, or Hubbard playing; they all had clear and unique voices stylistically. I don't hear as much of that in Wynton's playing; but truth be told he can do a lot of things as a trumpet player that none of those other "greats" can even approach. He really is amazing.

Something went wrong with my last post, this is "The Bombay Boogie",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alFuRz6uDpI

Very nice post, Frogman! I see exactly where you are coming from now, and would agree. We are indeed drawing slightly different lines, and what you said about "clear and unique" stylistic voice makes more sense than anything else I have heard about why some don't dig him as much. He definitely has a more homogenous sound, as do more and more brass players nowadays, in the classical world as well. Regional differences in sound, even on my instrument, are becoming less and less, which is really kind of sad. Everyone is sounding more and more the same. It's a great sound, but there is much less variety. This issue has affected my own career negatively.

For those of you who are not musicians reading the above, a brief explanation in layman's terms - I used to sub regularly with one of the very finest orchestras in the country, when my former teacher was the principal. Well, when he took a sabbatical near the end of his career, suddenly the calls for me stopped. The younger guys in the section preferred to use a guy who was not as experienced as me, and who they had to correct more ensemble-type problems with than they did with me, simply because they preferred the horn he played on to mine (he sounded exactly like they did, whereas I had a slightly different sound, even though I was able to blend perfectly well). While the calls started again, once my former teacher came back, I saw the writing on the wall for working there once my teacher retired, but luckily I got the job I have now anyway, so it didn't matter in the end. I have also had the satisfaction of hearing my former teacher publicly criticize his former colleagues for how they operate now in their close minded fashion since his retirement. I'm not going to say anymore about who and where or anything like that - I like to maintain relative anonymity here to feel free to make comments I would otherwise be uncomfortable making.

O-10, that John McLaughlin/L Shankar clip was fantastic; I loved it. Talk about two players being locked into each other musically; and clearly enjoying it. Thanks for sharing. This is McLaughlin with another favorite guitarist Paco De Lucia:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls5Zmf4sCmo