Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWaOV2U5vyc

Don’t know what to think of this pianist; need to hear more. Very strange YouTube clip, however. I listened to it and I heard what were clearly two (not so subtle) edits at 1:35 and 3:07 and heard what I thought was her quoting "I Remember You". It wasn’t untiI I saw the credits at the end that it became clear that this clip was excerpts from thre different tunes (including "IRY"); but way too close together. Keith Jarrett overtones in her playing and while this is not meant as a dig AT ALL, what little I heard makes me feel that in many ways she is the "anti-Horace Silver": cerebral, dreamy, non-percussive and rhythmically kinda vague. Please report back when you find the CD.

Nothing kinda vague here. One of my favorite Silver records, but strangely obscure and unknown. Horace Silver/ Eddie Harris; a match made in heaven (Ralph Moore is not too shabby either):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XTdCMqHbwbM

acman3-

I ran across the pianist on youtube- she has a few CD releases.
I am very surprised that I cannot find her titles on Amazon nor eBay?

Frogman,  you consider the version headed by Silver better than the "Jazz Messenger's"" on "Nica's Dream"? I'm still trying to pick up Art Blakey's sloppy drumming that makes the messengers version of "Nica's Dream" sound sleepy. Maybe you could give me the time where I should listen.

No "silly bickering" I'm just trying to be a more astute listener; especially since you and Rok said I don't want to learn anything, and you're the master musician. Now on Leon Thomas's yodeling, a bit much this time, he took it to the point of distraction, you stated. I listened to it a second time and he began his signature yodeling at 1:30 and carries it to 2:38; now that's just over a minute, when the song is 5:21 long, and according to you, just over a minute is to the point of distraction.

I know how much you appreciate clarity in communications, and that's what I'm striving for. I also think you stated that Blue Mitchell's solo sounded better than Donald Byrd's solo in the same spot. As good as Blue Mitchell is, he's no Donald Byrd, and that's not a subjective evaluation, it comes under objective evaluation, as almost any jazz aficionado will tell you.




Enjoy the music.
Here I was, thinking that over the last two days you were compiling a comprehensive list of albums and clips by Horace Silver; little did I know that you were ruminating over my comments 😊. O-10, I appreciate you striving for clarity and, more importantly, striving to be "a more astute listener". I think that there’s still work to be done. My thoughts why:

****especially since you and Rok said I don’t want to learn anything, and you’re the master musician. ****

No, O-10, we didn’t say that, YOU have said that; and you remind us every chance you get. And, no, I don’t consider myself a master musician, not even close; I will leave that designation to the likes of....well, I’ll leave it at that.

****I’m still trying to pick up Art Blakey’s sloppy drumming that makes the messengers version of "Nica’s Dream" sound sleepy. ****

I never said his playing was sloppy (on this cut); only that, imo, Blakey’s version was too slow. My commment:

****Blakey’s version sounds sleepy by comparison and lacking energy. ****

Your comment:

****but Blakey’s was "languid" meaning slow and relaxed; this was due to the slower pace, ****
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From Miriam-Webster dictionary:

"languid":
1
: drooping or flagging from or as if from exhaustion : weak
2
: sluggish in character or disposition : listless
3
: lacking force or quickness of movement : slow
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So, where’s the problem; where’s the disagreement?

Re Thomas:

"Yodeling" for over a minute?! Way too much for me. Why does someone who puts so much stock in "subjectivism" have an issue with my "subjective" opinion on this?

Re Mitchell:

**** I also think you stated that Blue Mitchell’s solo sounded better than Donald Byrd’s solo in the same spot. As good as Blue Mitchell is, he’s no Donald Byrd, and that’s not a subjective evaluation, it comes under objective evaluation, as almost any jazz aficionado will tell you.****

I didn’t say any such thing. I wasn’t comparing the two trumpet players; I compared, AS YOU ASKED US ALL TO DO, AND "DECIDE FOR YOU", which version was better. I said, that Mitchell’s solo alone made Silver’s version better for me. Now, please, pray tell, tell us where it is written that "almost any" aficionado thinks that Byrd was the better trumpet player; this aficinado certainly doesn’t. First of all, he’s not; and, moreover, does this not also fall under the heading of "subjectivism"? Just as a possibly interesting aside: one of the more curious little factoids about Mitchell’s career is that he looked (physically) so much like Freddie Hubbard and played so much at a similarly high level that he was sometimes confused for Freddie; someone who, I hope, we can agree was at the very highest level in the hierarchy of great trumpet players and a level where neither Mitchell (and certainly Byrd) were not quite at.

Got any Silver? Or, thoughts on Silver/Harris 😄
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