Jazz for aficionados

First Ellington and now Jesus? 

Read what I said again OP.  You said it was not as good as you remembered them being.  I was just suggesting that maybe it was because of the large number of standards.  Broadway type stuff.

I used the CD by Wes as a contrast and example of what the Green set could have used more of.  Swinging, Blues, Cookin' or whatever.

That's all.

Cheers

Rok, do you remember that scene in the "Blues Brothers" when they played the wrong kind of music in a "Country & Western" joint; that's what would have happened to Grant Green if he had played "Moon River" in a "Hard Bop" establishment in St. Louis; at the places he was accustomed to playing.

The CD was in reference to Benny Green "Soul Stirrin"; if you can get the CD you're one lucky fellow; as a matter of fact, if it's available on CD, I'm going to order one.


Enjoy the music.

O-10, you flatter yourself.  I agree that what is stereotypical to one person may be something else to another person; back to that in a moment.  Let's get this one out of the way:

You are absolutely correct, having points of disagreements is not "throwing rocks"; but, as usual, you misconstrue what the issue was and is.  The throwing of rocks (which was your phrase, btw) was not and is not having  points of disagreement; it is the style and attitude used while disagreeing.  You tend to have a very provocative style as demonstrated by your unnecessary reference to me in a discussion that I had no part in; and your admonition that I "not post that CC is fiction".   Why do you make the assumption that I would?  If you cannot understand that that comment/admonition is provocative then I can't help you further.  THAT was the "first stone thrown" by you that I referred to; and what you often do btw, as exemplified by the fact that here we are, after many new and  interesting posts and comments about music, and you choose to, instead of moving on, to bring up that nonsense again.  I rest my case.  

Now, what is "stereotypical"?  Who knows?  You coined the phrase.  It probably means something different to each of us.  My comment was simply that Wynton's playing did not fit MY definition of "stereotypical"; a silly notion to begin with.  It is meaningless to throw out vague terms like that at the exclusion of some substantive description of what is meant.  Concerning my comment re Wynton the great irony is that it is the absence of a strong sense of what the "stereotypical" hallmarks of good jazz improvisation are that are missing in his playing.  Additionally, and even more ironic given the recent discussion is that one of the most discernible and interesting influences in his playing (particularly his early recordings) is.....are you ready?......Miles.  How ironic is that?

Now, your self-flattery.  

****that's because the other person hasn't heard as much jazz, consequently, what's old hat to me, is new to you, and you don't recognize it as "stereotypical"****

The obvious retort is "how do you know" that I haven't listened to as much jazz?  O-10, if you feel the need to pump yourself up by thinking that yours is bigger than mine I couldn't care less; but, I assure you that Panonica would not agree 😜.  And this claim coming from someone who proudly admits to not having or having had any interest in pre-swing, swing, big band jazz, any "before Bird" jazz.  Yikes!

1976 coming up.

Frogman, you are one of the most interesting individuals I have ever encountered.

You tend to have a very provocative style as demonstrated by your unnecessary reference to me in a discussion that I had no part in; and your admonition that I "not post that CC is fiction". Why do you make the assumption that I would?

Frogman, you thought I confused "Like Young" as classical music in a post that was meant for "Learsfool", plus you understood that I thought "Santana" was fusion in a post that wasn't meant for you. I thought I would head you off at the pass, (so to speak) in regard to CC.

"Stereotypical" can have a number of different meanings depending on who's using it and how it's used. When I use it I'm referring to jazz "cliches" that have been used over and over again. Since you are a musician, you should be able to recognize them better than me.

Presuming that I've heard more jazz than you is possibly a bit of self flattery, but it would depend on our age differences and how much we listen to jazz. Since you also listen to classical, we have to eliminate that portion of your time. In regard to all the different chronology of jazz, I'm guilty, but since I spend more time, I'll call it a wash.

While this is much to do about nothing, it's been a dull boring day anyway.



Enjoy the music.