Jeff Rowlands Amp and Dac vs. VAC amp and DAC


Hello, I am new to this forum but I have a question. I am trying to pair an amp + DAC with my Wilson Sabrinas. I have listened to Jeff Rowlands integrated with the Aeris DAC. And the VAC Sigma integrated with the Aeris DAC. Price is a factor and so is space. Does the 625 need a pre-amp? Any suggestions or thoughts? 
rinpoche

Hi Rinpoche, SS vs tubes is not the best way to look at the problem of amps... Rather, the thing to look at is the actual sound of individual amps, or at least the house sound of particular brands. Hence, you are doing well in your current path to final choice... One Rowland SS, and one VAC tubed... Yes, definitely you will find marked differences between the two amps... Yet their audible personalities have much more to do with the sonic phylosophies of the two designers, then about one amp using SS and the other one tubes.


Good idea to evaluate amps or any other component always with the same set of recordings... I have been using the same 6 audio tracks for the last 15 years... THis has helped me to create a stable frame of reference.


I use mostly the following pieces...


Antonin Dvorak -- In the Old Castle (from a 4-CD set of all Dvorak piano works on Brilliant Classics CD) with Anna Poroscina playing a a Bosendorfer grand... I look there for harmonic exposure and stability of the piano tone across the 7 octaves, naturality of attacks, persistance of decay, and extent of low level information (sounds emitted by the performer, felt noises, piano bench).


Antonin Dvorak -- introduction to string sextet with double bass. The introduction has some passages with the higher string parts bunching together in the mid treble during the cusp of cadenzas.... Many amplifiers cannot handle such closely scored sostenuto in the treble region and break apart: The sound becomes shrill, strident, and unlistenable because of intermodulative artifacts.


One more Dvorak... 2nd movement of the Symphony from the New World Op. 95 with the Israel Phil under Leonard Bernstein... My favorite performance of this work.... Look at the following:


* How does the amp handle the opening fanfare for lower brass...

Can you hear the individual horns and trombones, or does the image become homogeneous and an indistinct musical pudding?

Gradually the brass section shows some cuivre.... Does it remain coherent and musical... Or does it exibit signs of intermodulative strain?

Are the timpani pitched or tubby?

How well can you hear the hall in the low level information?

How clear is the double bass line.... deep and well pitch, or surfacy and tubby?

What happens in the ff at the end of each section? Does the amp sail through without effort with all instruments still clear and sweet.... Or Does the image seem to saturate with a front-to-back collapse of stage and images, and the appearance of hardness?

Can you hear Bernstein stomping his feet to encourage the players some 12 minutes into the movement?

Can you hear him subvocalizing during the final brass fanfare in the movement?


Few amps can do these things correctly even if they are fully broken in. The M625 original version (except for the very first few serial numbers) negotiated all the scenarios above without any issues... The S2 version is much improved over the original.

  

I do not have sufficient experience with the VAC amps to make a meaning ful comparison.


Regards, Guido

Guido, wow, that is amazing. Okay. I have a list now. I see you like the Jeff Rowland equipment. So do I.

Mapman asked if there was one if there were any systems I would not be happy with from among the ones I have heard. To be honest, this is a great question too. I don't think I want to live with the PS Audio (I would always be thinking I could do better), or the ARC (though can't say why exactly — maybe it tries to do too many things all at once: amp, preamp, DAC, headphone amp). The Air Tight the shop had would not be sufficient to drive the Wilsons and they only bring in amps on order so that ruled that out. So that brings me back to the JR and VAC, where all of this started. If the JR and VAC Sigma were the only amps to choose from, I think I would go with the JR for ease of use and the 'weight' behind the sound (if that makes sense). The Sigma is really lovely, and though I haven't heard it with the (controversial) Wilson's, it lacks something by comparison. That is why I want to wait and hear the 200 IQ. And see if this is better. But JR for many reasons, some practical, is winning so far. 

I did come across an amp that looks lovely though there is no dealer where I live. It is called Einstein. I have no idea about price or anything else, but it has a nice look to it. And since I don't have a 'woman-cave' -- the equipment is right in the main living space, aesthetics are also important. JR wins hands down over VAC on this one -- though those little orange glowy tubes are nice to look at!!!

I will listen to the Dvorak pieces. Very exciting. 

Hi again rinpoche? Are you in Canada? And is your dealer Angie Lisi from American Sound? If this were the case, please say hi to Angie from me... He was singly responsible for making me discover the magic of the Rowland sound in 1998.


Concerning Einstein, I heard their products a few times at some length, but never managed to like them much. Regretably, the word "rough" seemed to apply more often than not... With my test tracks, Einstein never reached terribly close to the top of the musical heap, and tended to blow tubes on sharp . Treble intermodulation was too easily present... On the other hand, the brand might have improved since a couple of years ago.

   



 

I am using a biwire set of Elrod Gold Statement speaker cables between my VAC Phi 200 and a pair of TAD CR-1's.  I will admit they are stupid expensive, but they improved my system sound in ways that I appreciate enough.  Before that I was using a true biwire of Clear Day Double Shotgun cables, which I think are fantastic cables, in general, and crazy good for the money, IME.

With Rowland gear, Elrod wires would not be my first choice.... In my system, Elrod PCs tended to filter the treble and swell the mid bass.


Brands of wire products with which I have had amazing results are Shunyata, Nordost Valhalla II, and High Fidelity Cables (HFC) made by Rick Schultz in Dallas.


G.