Integrated amp recommendation around 3k (I need more power!)


Hi everyone,

Yep, another of those "which amp would you recommend" questions.  My system is settling in very nicely recently.  I've bounced around with speakers quite a bit, but I keep returning to little Harbeth P3esr.  They fit my room well and sound beautiful. However, they have a sensitivity of only 83db.  Right now, my system is comprised of the following:  VPI Traveler Turntable w/Clearaudio Maestro V2 cartridge, Croft RIAA phono stage, and the LFD LE V integrated.  As nice as the LFD is sonically, it just falls a bit short on power 65wpc into 8ohms) with the little Harbeths.

So, I'm looking to move to a more powerful integrated amp.  I'm certainly not a headbanger (or I'd have different speakers), but I would like to have ample headroom and current to maximize the P3s.  I'm looking at a budget of around $3k, used or new.  As I have an all analog 2-channel rig, I don't need a DAC, subwoofer outs, tone controls, balance, etc.  Heck, don't even care about a remote.  Just good, clean, dynamic power. 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated - thanks!

Best, Scott
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Just as a follow up- the Majestic arrived today, and apart from the odd feature that you can't turn it on without the remote, it is a beautiful piece in every respect - visually and sonically.  I'm sure it will sound even better after it's powered up for a few days, but even right out of the box it sounds great.  The gain is more than sufficient with my Croft phono stage.  Looking forward to some long listening sessions over the next few days...

Thanks again to everyone for their input!
Best, Scott
@almarg - (and anyone else who wants to chime in) Just wanted to follow up on the question of gain, as I'm a bit confused by the whole gain structure of my set up and how much gain I should be looking for in an integrated amp.  I did find the Wells to provide a little less gain than I would have liked.  I have some general questions about the issue:

-How much more gain (above the 30db) would make a significant difference?  For example, I see the Creek 100A has a gain spec of just over 33.  Is that enough to matter.

-Would a higher gain preamp/power amp combo give me more options to address the issue?

-Is the Croft phono stage contributing to the problem?  Would a different phono stage with different specs help the matter?  

Thanks for any thought you all might have.

Best, Scott
My first choice would be higher watt tubes like the rogue. I also second the Hegel 160 idea. I auditioned the Hegel 160 and 300 with Harbeths and it was an outstanding match for a wide range of music. 
Hi Scott,

The specified sensitivity of the Croft phono stage (2 mv in for 0.5V out) corresponds to 48 db of gain, which is quite high for a phono stage that is suitable for use with MM cartridges. There are a few that provide higher gain, such as some of the models from RCM of Poland, but the choice of such models would be very limited and may not be within your price range.

A 3 db difference in amp gain won’t amount to much in terms of the volume control positions you would find yourself using. Take a look at this photo of the front panel of a Music First passive preamp. The markings adjacent to the control appear to represent db of attenuation, and I believe are roughly representative in that respect of most rotary volume controls. For a given listening level, adding a given number of db of gain would lower the setting of the volume control that would be used by that same number of db.

The bottom line would seem to me to be that if you don’t ever find yourself wanting to turn the volume control past the top of its range, and if you are happy with the Majestic in all other respects, there’s probably nothing wrong with leaving things as they are. In fact some would argue that using volume control settings near the top of the range is generally preferably to using lower settings, as it might reduce whatever sonic effects may be introduced by the volume control mechanism itself.

Best regards,
-- Al

I have a Musical Fidelity big one. My memory is shot; it has around 300 watts ,more at low impedance' They have a later one which had even more power. Sound is REALLY GOOD and used is within your budget. You can even split it and use the pre and amp sections separately. I did and both were good. the build quality is exceptional.