What makes an expensive speaker expensive


When one plunks down $10,000 $50,000 and more for a speaker you’re paying for awesome sound, perhaps an elegant or outlandish style, some prestige ... but what makes the price what it is?

Are the materials in a $95,000 set of speakers really that expensive? Or are you paying a designer who has determined he can make more by selling a few at a really high price as compared to a lot at a low price?

And at what point do you stop using price as a gauge to the quality? Would you be surprised to see $30,000 speakers "outperform" $150,000 speakers?

Too much time on my hands today I guess.
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Hi Pete,  thanks for posting your name... So,  If Someone isn't selling a design commercially then???  Send Your un named Largest named Designer this thread. Get his response. Hmmm,  do you really expect anyone to give you their designs.  I'd be glad to give you a few designs,  but unfortunately I haven't been working manufacturing  speakers for some 30 plus years. I have also rubbed shoulders with some of the best names in the industry.  If they are old enough, they may even remember me. So does that make the facts that I quoted any better or worst than your opinion? And again,  I have never posted that paper is better, only that there are very satisfying drivers out there made of paper.  You've been posting here for a few years and made a bunch of strong points on many many threads, But,   I'm sorry brother, Not sure why you continue to push this,  but we are all on solid ground.... I'd love to build with ceramic drivers,   just haven't been able to justify the price for the parts,  but your points have all been listened to.  Maybe we should start a thread on how designers deal with voice coil issues.  Its can be a huge issue,  I haven't seen that thread yet. Roy, John or Peter.... If your out there,  comments from someone as respected as you guys would go along way. 

Sorry for the bit of sarcasm, Tim

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Hi Pete, 
You make some good points which I accept as opinion but not fact.  I don't equate micro detail with emotion as you do. Emotion can be elicited by a variety of sonic or musical parameters.  For example in my case it's triggered by authentic and natural tone, timbre and harmonic overtones.  Another listener would have yet different triggers to spark an emotional response. One could make the argument that many modern speakers in the quest for Uber detail can sound analytical and even sterile. This type of presentation would be considered "accurate" by some. The point is this is guided by personal preference rather than some agreed upon absolute standard of right sound, wrong sound. If your benchmark ideal is say Vandersteen with carbon fiber drivers that's excellent for you. Other ears may prefer something different. 
Charles, 
When I said I'd love to see your designs, I meant the speakers that you are building, not the designs.  Not an engineer.  I can read a schematic, but not building anything anymore, lol.  The one great thing about our hobby is that all the folks like to get to know each other and that includes the manufacturers etc...  I always felt that was a nice thing.  I'm made a lot of close personal friends as well as close enemies in audio (and sports where I'm much more involved).  

I usually put that sound is subjective and I believe I have said that in this thread.  The only thing that I have said that is fact is the break up of paper drivers.  I do agree that things can and are done to make them better.  There is distortion everywhere in audio and some of it sounds fine.  Yes, folks get their emotion from audio in different ways.  I do believe that. I've learned to listen differently over the years as have most folks as we hear new and different things (not always better, lol).  Personally I can listen to an Audio Note system and enjoy what I hear just like I do FM radio or a CD in the car.   Personally (personally), I wouldn't want that system in my home as it lacks so many things for me.  Even some of their dealers I've gotten to know say similar things.  

As for detail, to me if the 'detail' is actually distortion, or a tipped up tweeter (we all know a few high end manufacturer's tip the highs 1 or 2db to make them sound more 'open' than that's not for me.  I know a couple of these companies who do this, sell the crap out of their speakers.  Folks rave and rave and buy them like candy.  Even their very expensive ones.  

I probably am posting too much for this thread and I get that, but It's more of a discussion over beers than an argument.  Richard's speakers are not the only ones I enjoy and can live with.  I typically can't handle ribbons or even many of the panels out there as they aren't set up properly, are run with the wrong front ends and amps and seem way too 'hot' for my tastes.  Again, my tastes and no one else's.  

I didn't love the older Vandersteen's. Was going to get a pair of 2's in the 90's after my first stint on active duty (Navy), but went to a store in RI who carried them and was talked into a pair of Proac Superpowers.  It's only recently since he went to carbon fiber that I have fallen in love with his speakers.  I did love the older Avalons and they too were first order cross over and time and phase aligned I believe. Also love Charlie Hansen's speakers years ago.  

I'm sure you guys all have your favorites as we all do.  Again, it's all good stuff here and I do really like this thread and how it's evolved.  Wish others liked it as much and posted, lol.
"It's more of a discussion over beers than an argument "
Agree completely with this sentiment.  Just exchanging points of view,  that's what these forums are meant for. 
Charles,