Jazz for aficionados

'White boys cant play authentic blues?'
I would say that 'they' play different kind. What ever you like the call either one, but one can hear and recognise distinction, in a heart beat.

T Bone Walker, Joe Turner and Otis Spann, together, with others.
Album is 'Super Black Blues' from 1969.
https://youtu.be/H2BlxoEHpBo

Muddy Waters,Buddy Guy,Junior Wells,Lefty Dizz with Rolling Stones live, from 1981
https://youtu.be/bpX7OhkWC-o

Complete concert
https://youtu.be/GOgnZAQ6jSE

It may look simple to play the blues, but it seems to me that there are lots of music and artists that are pretending to play it, but somehow it just does not sound right. I liked the posts from Rok, the first movie tells a lot about it

I liked the blues when I was in a "blues joint" that smelled like whisky wine and beer, with a lady who was crying on my shoulder cause her old man done left her.

In my young years there were more blues bands in St. Louis than you could shake a stick at.
Almost every weekend I saw Albert King, and there were other blues bands all over town; plus most of the blues bands presented came to St. Louis; it must have been between Mississippi and Chicago.

Even now, when I hear the the "Delta Blues" I smell whisky wine and beer.


Enjoy the music.

Alex, although most music is about the projection of what the artist "feels", the Blues is much more intense; it projects a way of life, as well as what the song is about. Anytime someone who has not lived that life tries to sing the blues, it comes across as what it is "imitation", because he can not supply the missing ingredient; the soul of a "Blues man" who has lived the life he's expressing.


Enjoy the music.

Hey Rok-
Below is Frogman’s post (10/15/16 8:35 AM) that I was replying to. This immediately followed Orpheus’ Wiki post about your International Sweethearts of Rhythm). (Where do you find this stuff?!) Didn’t realize you had said anything earlier about "bogus". Must have missed that. As a result, since I wasn’t responding to anything you wrote, your reply to what I wrote, while interesting, is not quite on target. You make some interesting points...though I don’t know if I agree with all; e.g., Blues IS a musical form that can be found in a text book, but it’s way more than that...a legacy derived from a vanishing culture tied to important period of American history. The Romantic in me is sorry to see that culture go, but I get where Orpheus is coming from too.

If you have 100s of blues recording and in none of those heard a white boy playing authentic blues, than I think your answer has to be something other than "I don’t know." But that really doesn’t surprise me.

From Frogman...
Nice "segue", Ghosthouse, in light of the recent discussion re Sanborn/Crawford; don’t know if it was intentional or not. The alto solo on that clip of Paul Butterfield’s band is by none other than Dave Sanborn where he earned his stripes for several years before becoming the R&B/pop alto star that he became. That was his first record with the band and shows him still not fully developed as the stylist that he would become. Here is some more bogus blues 😉; I posted this not long ago. Recorded ten years later, Sanborn’s tone is fully morphed into what became his signature edgy and overtone-rich sound:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B4GNci5koi8

He quickly followed that one with an another link...

Definitely not bogus:

http://youtu.be/bG5xIG7EKFc

Alex - Good comments. Valid but different is my takeaway about what you think re black vs white musicians doing the blues. Did not understand the "pretending to play blues" comment, however. The words were perfectly understandable but I’m not with you on that one. I’m not arguing against your point just need an example or two to better understand where you are coming from. I will check out the links you posted. Still have to sample the rest of your Kenny Burrell links!

Rok - thanks for your many links. I’m particularly interested in tracking down that "In This House, On This Morning" Wynton Marsalis reference.

Ciao.

Stevie Ray Vaughn is an artist who runs counter to my last post; he picked up some of Albert Kings licks, and added some of his own; his music is authentic. Most jazz and blues musicians build their foundation on the musicians that went before them, and go from there.

I'm not saying SRV is an Albert King clone; that's where he picked up his foundation and went from there.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeLddbrzsHk


Like any good artist SRV got a little bit here, and a little bit there, and mixed it all up for a unique SRV sound.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Yyn6LT2n4


Enjoy the music.