Jazz for aficionados

Hey Rok-
Below is Frogman’s post (10/15/16 8:35 AM) that I was replying to. This immediately followed Orpheus’ Wiki post about your International Sweethearts of Rhythm). (Where do you find this stuff?!) Didn’t realize you had said anything earlier about "bogus". Must have missed that. As a result, since I wasn’t responding to anything you wrote, your reply to what I wrote, while interesting, is not quite on target. You make some interesting points...though I don’t know if I agree with all; e.g., Blues IS a musical form that can be found in a text book, but it’s way more than that...a legacy derived from a vanishing culture tied to important period of American history. The Romantic in me is sorry to see that culture go, but I get where Orpheus is coming from too.

If you have 100s of blues recording and in none of those heard a white boy playing authentic blues, than I think your answer has to be something other than "I don’t know." But that really doesn’t surprise me.

From Frogman...
Nice "segue", Ghosthouse, in light of the recent discussion re Sanborn/Crawford; don’t know if it was intentional or not. The alto solo on that clip of Paul Butterfield’s band is by none other than Dave Sanborn where he earned his stripes for several years before becoming the R&B/pop alto star that he became. That was his first record with the band and shows him still not fully developed as the stylist that he would become. Here is some more bogus blues 😉; I posted this not long ago. Recorded ten years later, Sanborn’s tone is fully morphed into what became his signature edgy and overtone-rich sound:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B4GNci5koi8

He quickly followed that one with an another link...

Definitely not bogus:

http://youtu.be/bG5xIG7EKFc

Alex - Good comments. Valid but different is my takeaway about what you think re black vs white musicians doing the blues. Did not understand the "pretending to play blues" comment, however. The words were perfectly understandable but I’m not with you on that one. I’m not arguing against your point just need an example or two to better understand where you are coming from. I will check out the links you posted. Still have to sample the rest of your Kenny Burrell links!

Rok - thanks for your many links. I’m particularly interested in tracking down that "In This House, On This Morning" Wynton Marsalis reference.

Ciao.

Stevie Ray Vaughn is an artist who runs counter to my last post; he picked up some of Albert Kings licks, and added some of his own; his music is authentic. Most jazz and blues musicians build their foundation on the musicians that went before them, and go from there.

I'm not saying SRV is an Albert King clone; that's where he picked up his foundation and went from there.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeLddbrzsHk


Like any good artist SRV got a little bit here, and a little bit there, and mixed it all up for a unique SRV sound.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Yyn6LT2n4


Enjoy the music.

Ghosthouse, what I said has nothing with those music posts attached
My point was somewhere close to Orpheus words.There is lots of ’blues’, or music played in that key, with lyrics to go with, that sounds totally ’bogus’ to me. Normally I would not react to it (there is so many ’false’ music around in any genre, meaning just words instead of real meaning behind it) but somehow with blues man expects to hear ’genuine’ emotions or experience shared, or at least great interpretation of it, because everybody ’had the blues’ at one point or another in their life.
And than, sometimes, instead, man can hear that ’cheesy’ stuff, pretending to be the ’real’ thing.
Somehow I feel more ’offended’ when I hear ’bad’ music in form of ’blues’ than in other types.

***** Somehow I feel more ’offended’ when I hear ’bad’ music in form of ’blues’ than in other types. *****

I agree completely.   Offended is the perfect word.   It's like they are 'mocking' real blues players.

Entire post well stated!

Cheers

SRV:

Not close, No Cigar.   His dress (too flashy)  and demeanor are all wrong.   Plays too loud, too fast and too many notes.   In Blues, its the singing, not the guitar.    Check out B.B. King.

Cheers