O-10, we have been here so many times before that the recently used word "tedious" is just about perfect. Your most recent post is another example of what I can only describe as "The Twilight Zone". I will try, once again, to explain my positions on some of these isuues and, with any luck, perhaps they can be put to rest for a while; as I had hoped was the case before your most recent post.
My comments to Strateahead were sincere and without any hidden meaning; just as I said to him re my original comment to you about why others don't post. You seem hell bent on believing that I am making some underhanded insinuation about this when, in fact, you just said the same thing I did. What is that? That perhaps he, as you just said, has some reason for not posting; perhaps he's too busy. That's it, no hidden meaning. As you apparently forgot, my original comment was in response to a self-congratulatory comment by you about what a special little bunch we are for being the only jazz fans on Agon; the only ones hip enough to be jazz "Aficionados". I had the temerity to suggest that "no, we are not the only ones, there are others who choose to not post for various reasons". Well, all hell broke loose! I thought I was being reasonable and generous, but apparently you felt that I burst your bubble. Don't you see how childish this is?
My "insensitive" comments toward Rok: This one goes beyond The Twilight Zone into truly new frontiers. "Beam me up Scotty!". Let me see if I've got this right.... So, after Rok picks and starts a fight by denigrating my taste in music (not that I care what he thinks), and proceeds with his diatribe, you think I should have been more "diplomatic" towards him. Seriously? I assure you my reaction is not because I care what he thinks about my taste in music, but simply because I am tired, as many are, of his surliness; a surliness that you have always overlooked and protected. "Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor, not an Aficionado!".
O-10, I DON'T think you should go to school, and while I always hope for intelligent dialogue with other posters, I don't post what I post just for your sake. If you want to understand it and would like me to explain it fine; if not, no problem. What IS a problem for me is the misinformation passed as fact, I see no reason to not correct it. Case in point:
I truly and honestly don't have a problem with you, or anyone else, using only subjective criteria when judging music. What leads to conflict is, as I have tried to explain many times, is that you and Rok have no problem whatsoever being critical of or dismissing, often in a very "insensitive" way, other posters' likes. However, when I express dislike of one of YOUR posted music clips and explain why I don't like it, all hell breaks loose. I have no problem with you feeling that there is, to quote you, "no right or wrong". However, this stance begs the questions: 1. why, then, do you feel it necessary to express dislike for anything?, and 2. why do you have a problem with my reasons for why I don't like something? If, as you claim, there is no right or wrong. I keep hoping you will see the contradiction (if not hipocracy) in this. The misinformation:
The idea that knowledge is an impediment to understanding or feeling the emotion in music. Perhaps this is true for you or someone else. I suppose there are personality issues (foe ALL of us) that come into play here that are best left for others to dissect. Again, I have no issue with you, or anyone else, believing that....for himself; as unfortunate as I may feel that is. However, if you are going to escalate matters to suggest, as Rok did, that I, or someone else, cannot "feel" music because of their quest for knowledge, I will take you to task (if I happen to have the energy at that particular moment). That is an utterly ridiculous stance that goes counter to the vast majority of thoughtful opinions on the matter. Your recent analogy re audio reviewers make my point. Audio reviewers? Really? Gearheads, long vilified for not caring about the music? That they say that worrying about gear (the technical) gets in the way of the music is the proof behind your assertion? A MUSIC critic saying that may carry some weight....maybe. But, a good music critic would never say that. A good music critic knows that knowledge about the technical enhances the appreciation of the emotional. Bottom line, O-10, as I asked you recently, why don't you practice what you preach? I respect your wish to, as you yourself have said many times, not learn anything about music. Why do you object to someone else's wish to learn more than that?
Anyway, over and out. I am done with this issue for now. Hopefully we can all get back to sharing music and ideas in a positive and respectful way. As someone who I hope is back soon (I mean that) likes to say:
Cheers.
