Jazz for aficionados

*****  I can understand why some need to keep analysis out of the equation and don’t want to be "hampered" by it and want to keep the listening experience as "simple" as possible and not be "challenged" as a listener;*****

I don't understand what an analysis of music is  suppose to achieve.

Show of hands:  How many of you fellow posters have ever heard music that you hated, that is, until The Frogman 'explained it', and now it's your favorite music to listen to.   Write in with chapter and verse.   And of course the opposite also:  Music you loved until The Frogman explained it to you, now you hate it.

What effect does analysis have on your love of music?  None I say.   I was listening to, and enjoying music before I could even spell music.

The Frogman just wants to strut his stuff, so to speak.  It's Interesting and informative, and I really believe everything he says because he's a pro, but it does not change musical taste.

Cheers

***** One of the most curious aspects of all this as concerns subjectivity/objectivity and as it relates to the old jazz/new jazz debate is the simple fact that it is the staunch old jazz devotee(s?) who seem to like ONLY old jazz while I don’t think there has been a single fan of new jazz to post here that has not posted or expressed liking old jazz as well*****

Old Jazz is Jazz, and that is not in dispute.   The definition of the current music is in dispute.

Surely you don't expect a person to come on board saying something like, "I like Jazz except for that noise made by Ellington, Armstrong, Mingus, Miles, Monk, Adderley, Silver, Morgan and folks of that ilk".  Do you?

Cheers

Objective / Subjective:

Think of the most god-awful piece of noise/trash you have ever heard, then consider this:

Some one wrote it, some one played it, some one recorded it.   All professionals. All  more knowledgeable than us, save The Frogman.   All took time and money.   And all concerned must have thought it was pretty good stuff.

So, instead of this objective / subjective, old / new debate,  let's
just say, there is no accounting for taste, and be done.

Cheers

And another thing:

Remember back in the days when the LP ruled.   How many did we buy based on the liner notes?   Which type notes made more of an impact, the analysis kind, or the ones that said stuff like "If you like Mingus you MUST has this LP!!!   Think about it.

Cheers

Rok, you force me to justify my statement, and that always takes a long story. If you got time to listen, I got time to tell it.

I hung out at this high end emporium so much that some of the customers thought I worked there; especially this one customer who could afford to buy the joint. Since I was always in the small theater where you audition equipment, he always had someone to talk to.

He would come in and ask me questions, and I told him there was only one way to decide, and that was to listen to the stuff. Me and him would sit back in the movie theater seats, while I requested the changes in equipment; like less try this ARC pre-amp with that CJ amp. Since he didn't have his own music, we listened to mine.

That went on for over a week, in which he had decided what he wanted, and brought in his own music. I was comfortably seated, and waiting to hear this dynamite music, when out blasts some kind of British marching music. It was all I could do to get that "What the .... is that" look off my face. I was thinking; he could have bought a wind up Graphenola to hear that; but he wasn't buying CJ and ARC for me.

My point is, his music is my noise, and my music could have been noise to him which he tolerated, and the same could apply to you and me at times; so where is this judge who can say unequivocally which is which?


Enjoy the music.