Thoughts on A/V receivers

for what it's worth, i'm happy with my onkyo 702. it has all the watts you will ever need for the 5 surround channels. just use a seperate amp of your liking for your mains.

Yes, I would agree. Have you heard the Pioneer?

I've heard, sold, and installed the Pioneers. The flagship is ok, but not as good as the other competition on it's own, sonically. The entry level Pioneers?....I would pass personally. Again, better sonics on entry level HK's, Denon's, Outlaw, for the lower priced stuff. You're talking more body, weight, current delivery, and refinement on these over the Pioneer.

Have you heard the flagship receiver, I have owned Yamaha in the past. I am looking closely at the Pioneer and spoke with 1 of my dealers which also, carries BK, Denon but, also carries, other high end gear, such as, Bryston, McIntosh etc. Are you the comparing the Pioneer to the BK 505 or 507, HK7300 or other and Outlaw 1070? Also, when is the last time you dealt with Pioneer?

Here's the deal...you're talking to your dealer (with an agenda) about what you should get. Then you're asking our oppinion. So, who are you going to believe?
Do you need to get to the point where all the seeds planted in your head add up,make sense,or you finally listen to the person you like the best?
My suggestion is to try the one you're interested in the most, and if it doesn't work out, sell it, and buy something else! You'll then be like the other million or so audiophiles, who reallize you'll never know anything, till you try it yourself, in your system, in your room/setup, with your tastes!...that's my suggestion. Everyone ownes different gear!!! To each his own.
BTW, I sold a Pioneer receiver about 1 year ago, which is as long as its' been, honesly.
I like the B&K and Denon Flagships sonically over the Pioneer, personally....