Frogman, I have noticed that every time you have the choice of leading a new segment of jazz, or diving into a "Bruha", you choose going back into the "Bruha" and then blaming me or Rok, for not being able to entangle yourself. No one knows more about Cuban music than you, but yet you choose to point out where "Bebop" was originated in Africa; why do you do that?
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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Frogman, I have noticed that every time you have the choice of leading a new segment of jazz, or diving into a "Bruha", you choose going back into the "Bruha" and then blaming me or Rok, for not being able to entangle yourself. No one knows more about Cuban music than you, but yet you choose to point out where "Bebop" was originated in Africa; why do you do that? |
There is absolutely nothing ridiculous about what I have said on the subject. You disagree, fine; but, as concerns this, you are living in a reality of your own making that has no backing nor credence. That you guys can't hear the musical connections nor make the associations to the various ethnic influences in jazz that are there to be heard does not validate an alternate reality. O-10, I am afraid your thought process at times like this is no more clear and accurate than your grammar. I would love nothing more than to not get entangled in these stupid arguments. But, in my book this topic matters. It is so basic and important to the general topic of this thread that gross misstatements and made up sh*t need to be called out. Moreover, if you can't understand why I would not want to take you up on your "offer" to lead the discussion about Cuban music after the series of taunting and provocative comments by you and your (for today) cohort, then I'm afraid you are in the dark about more than just music and its history. Go back over those posts; if you care. This will be the last thing I say on the subject (for now); perhaps some of it will sink in. Pay close attention, now: **** you choose to point out where Bebop originated in Africa **** That you would make such a statement points to the absence of any kind of grounding on the subject. No one has said that Bebop "originated" in Africa. The distinction between "originate" and "influence" is key. African music was one of the major influences in the creation of jazz. Bebop is jazz. Without the jazz (and blues) styles that preceded Bebop there would be no Bebop. Hence, Bebop was influenced by African music. What is so difficult to understand about this? Btw, the suggestion that "modern jazz" ended in the 70's is equally non-sensical. So, then, are you saying that there has been no jazz created since the 70's? If you are not saying that, then what does one call jazz produced from the 70's to the present day, if not "modern"? |
Frogman, I'm capable of communicating with people from various sociological and economic groupings, and quite often express the mood I'm in at the time. Sometime I'm in a hip mood and choose to express myself in a "jazzy" manner. At other times I'm in a "Southern mood" and attempt to use "good old boy" dialect to communicate ideas unique to the South. But by now I know it is foolish to communicate to you anything other than that which you wish to be communicated. Since it's been a long time since I've been to school, please point out any grammatical errors you have found. |
Frogman, your objective is not to communicate an idea, but to change the subject and win the argument; that's been pointed out many times. At other times you choose to impress with your long diatribes. Apparently you and I listen to different Bebop, because what I listen to was not influenced by anything in Africa, and even the influence you're talking about is so minor, you're the only person who can hear it, but the bottom line is the fact that it's so inconsequential. Modern jazz ended in the 70's, serves to identify what we have been calling "classic jazz", or "jazz jazz". Aficionados can choose to identify and define things within their group that would not fit the universal definition, and that is what we have done, but since you know this, why do you claim otherwise? The more I think about it, the more ludicrous it sounds, "Bebop influenced by Africa", you must be speaking of "Afrobop"; you win, can we go on to the next thing? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPnZpAftn8s&list=PL1pMraufpPkEtCXWEyHybh42a2PnM6HRp If that wasn't good enough we got this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4x4kl8BdIM |
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