ARC Ref 5se inferior to LS28?


This is what a big dealer told me the other day. Dealer speak or right on the money? Would very much like to hear opinions of the many knowledgeable ARC users on Audiogon. Thanks

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I just don't agree with some of the sentiment expressed.  Some people really have a stone in their shoe regarding Audio Research.  I don't know if the LS28 is better than the REF 5SE.  I would say no, until I heard them side to side. 

Yes, Audio Research upgrades (SE) or replaces components all the time.  so do most larger companies with R&D departments.  I agree that companies do this for many reasons.

1.  They have to stay above or competitive with other like companies.

2.  They have to personnel and manpower to keep upgrading and producing new products.

Smaller companies simply can't afford to keep coming out with newer and better every four or five years.  It simply isn't cost effective for them. Parts storage, maintenance of equipment, etc.

It is also very unfair to compare how one company operates vs another. Unless you know the ins and outs of each company, the corporate directives, directions, etc. 

The real test is, are they producing very good to exceptional products? Yes or no?  Were you happy with your equipment when you bought it? 

There is no law that says companies can't keep innovating simply because you bought a product. so car companies are supposed to freeze innovation on cars simply because you bought a car from them?

Nope.  Volvo used to be the only company I know of that keep a production line for a particular model for long periods of time without change.  Even that doesn't happen anymore, because they have to complete with the nine million (exaggeration) other autos out there in that particular price point and class.

All I can say is that Audio Research makes quality equipment.  And they are one of the very few manufacturers that I can think of (Atmosphere, Pass Labs, Naim, Martin Logan) that will still repair their older equipment.

That really says something about these manufacturers.  That also means that they must have replacement parts available.  That also says something.

Simple answer. You won't know if the LS28 is better than the REF 5SE (doubt it) unless you hear them side by side in the same  system and changing nothing except the units.

enjoy

Some people really have a stone in their shoe regarding Audio Research.
NOT bdp24!  LOL!!!

So time to revisit this subject AGAIN?

I have Ref250SE and is one of the best to my ear. When ARC introduces a replacement, it doesn't make it obsolete or diminishes my enthusiasm any less. Depending on the replacement, it's MY choice whether to replace or not. As a customer, I welcome the option for something superior or different.  MY choice!
Anyone who gets on the ARC train is going to be put through this until he jumps off. Why not instead buy from a designer/company who keeps a model in the line for many years, offering occasional upgrades to the basically "correct/finished" circuit?
What if I prefer the SQ and enjoy the train ride? Shouldn't one just buy what sounds best and not with least frequent updates? Totally illogical IMO!   

As a business, I applaud ARC for capitalizing on the customers constantly cycling and the need to have latest and greatest gear. As expected, blame ARC and not accept any personal responsibilities.
I love the ARC new model and upgrade strategy.  I've picked up serious gear at half price from people who had to have the latest and greatest and could afford it.  In my eyes, ARC is the Robin Hood of used audio!
I love the ARC new model and upgrade strategy.  I've picked up serious gear at half price from people who had to have the latest and greatest and could afford it.  In my eyes, ARC is the Robin Hood of used audio!
Excellent perspective.  Glass is not half empty but half full.  Love it!
I don't understand how ARC keeps improving their models so often. You would think a model from a few years ago would sound like crap comparatively. But the old models all were the best at one time according to the reviewers. Sounds like a lot of B.S. to me.