Class D = Trash?


So, I'm on my second class D amp. The first one, a Teac AI-301DA which claimed to use an ICE module, was unlistenable trash. I burned it in for a few weeks, it just couldn't perform, so I sent it back. Following that, I tried the new Emotiva A-300 (class A/B). It was significantly better, but lacking in too many ways for my tastes. So I changed gears, got an 845 SET from China -- and it was an immediate and massive improvement.

So, before I went further down the SET road, I wanted to try a better class D product using a modern class D module. I settled on the D-Sonic M3-800S with the Pascal module and custom input stage. I read from reviews that these things like to have big cables, so I picked up an eBay 8 gauge power cable (Maze Audio, el-cheapo Oyaide copy plugs, braided 4-wire cable) to go along with it.

Mid-range GONE.
Soundstage depth CRUSHED.
Euphonics DISAPPEARED.

Yes, resolution went up. Driver control went up, allowing me to play compressed rock/pop and orchestra with the speakers being able to render it all. But enjoyment in the sound is basically gone. Using my best power cable (LessLoss Original) improved performance, but didn't fundamentally change the amp's nature. I ran back to my headphones (Focal Utopias) to detox my ear canals.

So, how long does a class D need to burn-in? I want to give it a fair shake before writing the technology off forever. 
madavid0
Hi Henry,

     Thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail to my question and stating that you do think there's a direct relationship between an analog power supply and good bass response in an amp. Given your praises of regulated amp output voltage, which the switching mode has but which the analog power supplies typically lack due to expense,  I would have thought the relationship between an analog power supply and good bass response would be less direct. However, I'm fairly certain it's best to defer to your knowledge and experience on this matter.

     It's very interesting and encouraging to know that you're continuing to explore the potential of the somewhat newer class D power modules such as the Hypex NCore 400 modules along with corresponding Hypex switching mode power supplies.  I would be very interested to know if you discover varying performance levels between these modules paired with the various Hypex smps (NCore 1200 and 600 smps) and the NCore 400 modules paired with your own analog power supply.

     Strictly from my subjective viewpoint,  the most obvious differences I've noticed between using class D and various class A/B amps(Adcom, McCormack and Aragon) in my system are improved bass response, a reduced noise floor,  increased dynamics (especially on content recorded in hi-res 24/96 format), increased detail and a more neutral sonic character in general.  
     These benefits were clearly noticed on the first 2 class D amps I owned (Class D Audio SDS-440-CS and Emerald Physics EP-100.2) and these qualities are even more clearly noticed on my current class D amps (D-Sonic M3-660-M).
      Just to be clear, I was not offended with anything you said and agree that there is no absolute in this hobby.

Thanks Henry,
 Tim   
@guidocorona ,

1) Once a class D is broken in is it stable from then on; or will it need to be broken in again if it sits idle for an extended period? (Actually any well-informed reader’s input on that would be much appreciated.
2) I just bought a used Audiosource on eBay for $60. When do I get my 500 Valium? Can I get more if break-in takes longer than 1,500 hours? Is this an honor system?
The valium is inside the amp. The pills look a lot like resistors.. just pull them off the circuit board. It'll be fine
Todd, I could only find 12. I took them all at once. Nothing happened. My breath does smell like oregano, though.

Eric, 
" I am going to start another thread I think, for people who LIKE class D. :)"
Please do!

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There is s nothing unique in class D break-in and re-breakin.... Amps of any type, if sufficiently complex, will take hundreds of hours to break-in.... Even the basic music system in my Toyota Prius took months to sound decent. My class A/B ROwland M625 stereo and M725 monos took about 1000 hours to sound their best. 


The 1500 hours I mentioned is the upper limit of my own experience with amps... It did take about that much for my Rowland M925 monoblocks to stabilize.


As for needing to re-break-in, it all depends on how long devices have been off line. If I leave my system offline for several days, a few hours of warm up returns the system to top performance level.. On the other hand, when I moved from TX to SC, my system was in storage for over 6 months... When I finally reconnected and restarted it, it took a couple of weeks for it to return to top performance... Perhaps 300 hours of making music at minimum volume.


G.