Class D = Trash?


So, I'm on my second class D amp. The first one, a Teac AI-301DA which claimed to use an ICE module, was unlistenable trash. I burned it in for a few weeks, it just couldn't perform, so I sent it back. Following that, I tried the new Emotiva A-300 (class A/B). It was significantly better, but lacking in too many ways for my tastes. So I changed gears, got an 845 SET from China -- and it was an immediate and massive improvement.

So, before I went further down the SET road, I wanted to try a better class D product using a modern class D module. I settled on the D-Sonic M3-800S with the Pascal module and custom input stage. I read from reviews that these things like to have big cables, so I picked up an eBay 8 gauge power cable (Maze Audio, el-cheapo Oyaide copy plugs, braided 4-wire cable) to go along with it.

Mid-range GONE.
Soundstage depth CRUSHED.
Euphonics DISAPPEARED.

Yes, resolution went up. Driver control went up, allowing me to play compressed rock/pop and orchestra with the speakers being able to render it all. But enjoyment in the sound is basically gone. Using my best power cable (LessLoss Original) improved performance, but didn't fundamentally change the amp's nature. I ran back to my headphones (Focal Utopias) to detox my ear canals.

So, how long does a class D need to burn-in? I want to give it a fair shake before writing the technology off forever. 
madavid0
" Interestingly Primare i32 intergrated amp,that is a Class D design, and got very good reviews here in Europe since its release 5 or 6 years ago, will probably be replaced with a new model later this month."

No wonder why my humble bid was accepted. I wish the damn thing would arrive, already, so I could quit reading and get back to listening.
A high-definition eGaN FET-based system with higher PWM switching frequency, reduced feedback, and higher bandwidth produces the sound that has the warmth and sonic quality that audiophiles demand;

For a quality Class D audio solution, it is possible to avoid these transitions all the way through the system to the final Output Filter

The key to great Class-d, is to get it’s LOW ORDER output filter to do it’s job of getting rid of ALL switching noise from the audio band before it get sent to the speakers, and without creating any phase shift.
The only way to do this successfully is to raise the switching frequency noise much higher so this low order output filter (without masses of feedback) can do it’s job properly without any residue effects or switching noise remnants being left within the audio band.

This is why Technics have led the way with the new SE-R1, have striven to DOUBLED the switching frequency with these new eGan Fet transistors, to get closer to the ideal above results.

Credit to Mark Levinson a couple of years ago tried to solve this problem with todays switching frequency, by using much lager (to take the amps power) higher order output filters and less feedback, but it was a bit of a flop, with their very expensive. (see the size of the 4 x chokes for the higher order output filter for each monoblock).

http://www.stereophile.com/content/mark-levinson-no53-reference-monoblock-power-
amplifier#rJEmkELOsfXsME4b.97

It’s 10khz!! (not 1khz) square wave without!!! the AP filter, is the best ever seen for a class-d amp (almost as good as a linear amp) because of it’s massive higher order output filter and less feeback, but this high order filter obviously created other problems, and was not received well, that’s why low order with low feedback is the way to go, but it must do it’s job properly, and the only way to do that is to raise the switching frequency noise much much higher.

Cheers George
Hi @georgehifi

I'm not sure that feedback in a digital amp works the same way, or has the same consequences as it does in a linear amplifier.

Do you have any data that indicates feedback is anything but a positive in a digital amplifier?


Best,


E
No but I believe from what others have said, the output filter in some Class-D’s is included into it’s global loop aiding it’s effectiveness? that's why I bought it up, just to cover all bases.

Cheers George