Vinyl recordings - best methods


Hi there
I would like to draw your attention here:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/audiophile-recording-and-playback-tascam-da-3000/post?highlig...
Maybe, now, there are even better recorders, out there.
Yet a big part of the picture is, do the best with what you have.
We need more discussion with updates on how to do the best recordings.
Oystein

o_holter
What about staying in analog domain? Reel to Reel or Nakamichi cassette deck. That is what I do, but usually when in the mood of playing LP I just go for it and fire up my Sondek. 

I posted on this on another thread, but will repeat some of that and add a bit.

Sevs, I have an old Nakamichi cassette deck. It doesn’t come close to touching a DSD128 recording.

For DSD recording there are contenders at widely varying price points. From show reports it seems that the $10K Playback Design Pinot has confounded golden ears to tell the difference between LP source and recording. On another forum a studio engineer has posted a running comparison between pro ADCs. The $5.5K Merging Technologies Hapi seems to be the go-to piece. Unlike the Tascam, which uses op amps throughout, the Hapi uses all discrete components. It’s a more complicated eight-channel unit focused on studio applications. It needs special cables and an Ethernet connection to a Ravenna NIC and Pyramix software on a separate workstation running a downgraded version of Windows. That rules me out as I’m on Windows 10 and won’t go back.

I decided to start with the Tascam, and if dissatisfied, consider Hapi. As good as the Playback designs unit may be, this is one area where a pro unit should be acceptable. After all, pro pieces are used to make DSD recordings that we are probably listening to on new vinyl.

A stock DA-3000 makes very good DSD128 recordings, but you won’t know what you’re missing without upgrading the power cord, footers, and above all, the three-pin bipolar regulators in the power supply to Belleson SPZ78 and SPZ79 parts. Tascam’s free editing software is a handy means of dividing long DSD files into tracks.

The DAC section of the DA-3000 is just average by current hi-end standards, but is a good enough monitor loop to enjoy LPs while recording.

Personally, since I’ve begun to record(at a slow-burn pace) I’m enjoying the trip through the record collection. However, you don’t want to do this twice, so buy the best recording equipment or upgrade the Tascam from the start.

Dgarretson - same with me, my Revox A77 remains on my loft. To get better recordings than 2xDSD on the Tascam, the Revox would at least need a service and probably some considerable upgrade too. I recorded to open reel tape on the Revox for many years but I don’t bother anymore.

"You don’t want to do this twice" - very true. I recorded ca 150 albums on my Korg MR-1, but although I enjoyed the recordings for some years, in a sense it was a waste of time, since the Tascam recordings of the same vinyl are clearly better. I agree, a better power cord is nice, and perhaps footers too, although I have not found a large difference there. Probably better regulators - and other things.

The trouble is, in principle, for every upgrade you do in the analog chain, you want to record your full collection once more, at least, with big upgrades, like a better recorder, or a new cartridge. So this can become a rather crazy hobby.

On the other hand, there is a smile on my face, whenever I hear the recordings, especially from a device weighing 136 grams (the Fiio X3ii) as compared to the 16 kg of my Revox A77.

I can have maybe 60-70 percent of the sound of my main rig wherever I go. That’s great. We live in interesting times.

And it is nice to see, finally, that digital is moving forwards also, listening to what audiophiles have been saying for years. After the big "perfect sound forever" disgrace. Although there is still a number of commentators, usually outside of the audio world, arguing that you don’t really need high resolution (or, disgracefully marketing 44/16 as high res), saying most people dont hear the difference anyway, and similar b-s. Talking down to people. Making people distrust their ears.

It is really strange, how long this has been going on. I don’t think this kind of thing would have a chance in visual media. There, people want the best. As regards sound, however, people (except a "strange" niche of audiophiles) are supposed to be happy with poor sound and compressed music. Its a shame. Ears unite! All power to the ear-proletariat! :-)

There is no doubt whatsoever, in my experience, recording vinyl (and live music) with a lot of different recorders: the better format is the way to go.

True, mastering makes a lot of difference, not to speak of recording, mixing and so on. You can have very good CD format recordings, and very bad. Same with vinyl (but usually not THAT bad). Yet all this is really off topic. The vinyl record (especially, at 45 RPM) remains the "gold standard".

Was DAT recording a step up from CD sound? No. But DAT with "super bit mapping", like the Sony DAT DTC-ZE700? Yes, extending the recording to (something like) 24 bit, it did sound better. I bought one in 1996 and used it to record until I bought the Korg MR-1 in 2009. Does each step up of PCM resolution 92/24 to 192/24 etc sound better? Yes. Does DSD sound even better than PCM? Yes. Double DSD? Yes, best so far. - These judgements are based on long term experiences, not just quick A/B testing.There can be no going back, for me.