PassLabs 350.8 versus Ayre MXR Twenty


I just purchased an ARC Ref 6 line stage and looking to up grade my amp. Currently have a VTL S200.

I have the opportunity to get a new PS 350.8 or wait until I have the funds for a used MXR Twenty.

Has anybody heard these two and been able to compare them? I understand they combine the best of SS with also a tube like quality.

Despite all the raves of the PS I'm a bit reluctant because of the size and weight because I have limited real estate, The Ayres I could handle myself and have room on my racks for them.

I know these are both fairly popular heavyweight players and at this point I want a lifer.

So do I get one or hold out a little while for the other.

Any of your opinions would be appreciated especially if you've heard the two.

Thanks very much.  

vindanpar
@cycles2 thanks for confirming what I heard at the showroom demo.

As per my post above, I preferred the Pass XA200.5’s driven by ARC Ref 5 SE to VX R Twenty with KX R Twenty. I found the Pass had a fuller, more musical sound and the Ayre comparatively leaner, perhaps owing to the bass coherence you cite.

I am pretty happy with the X350.8 but as you know in this crazy hobby, you always wonder about the ones you didn’t get....

My speakers are the Vienna Acoustics Kiss which in spite of a low impedance dip, is an easier load than the Rockports, so the strain at high volumes is not as apparent sonically even though I do see the meter twitch and leave Class A.

I do enjoy the speed and slam the X350.8 gives (someone else had a very apt descriptor of "ballsy") which I have been told is a characteristic of Pass Class AB vs Pass Class A amps. I am unsure if this is true as I have not AB’ed them in the same system but do remember the XA 100.5 being very musical if a bit too laid back with some older Sonus Faber speakers.

Thanks again

'The X350.8 and the MXR-20s seem a bit strained as you increase the volume.'

uh oh... I'm reading too much. Sounds like the 350.8 might be a mistake...

I found the Pass had a fuller, more musical sound and the Ayre comparatively leaner, perhaps owing to the bass coherence you cite.

I have found the same to be true.

However, which one would work best for the user would depend on his associated gear, and his musical tastes.
Many folks love the Ayre gear with warmer speakers like Vandy's.
Any speaker/room interface that might have a bit of bass bloat, may work better with the Ayre.

In the end, it's all about balancing a systems resolution and musicality to suit your own personal tastes.
@vindanpar, all Class A/B amps change sound characteristics when they transition from Class A to Class B. However, we're talking pretty high volume levels depending on your speaker sensitivity.  I wouldn't worry about it as you may never transition to Class B at your listening level.  The sound isn't bad, it's just a tad different.  Besides Pass Labs are a safe investment in this crazy hobby. They're easy to sell and hold their value if you keep it in good condition and save your packaging. Are you looking at new or a pre-owned 350.8?  For a pre-owned in good condition, you should expect to spend about $8k - $9k.
Maybe it's because you have speakers at the high end of the high end you heard the strain?