Integrateds: Why do they all SUCK?


I’m trying to find a HIGH QUALITY integrated that has:
1. A no-corners-cut real class A - A/B power stage.
2. A real, high quality analog preamp line stage.
3. A good phono stage.

Aside from a few very high end products, the above described integrateds seem not to exist. Why can’t I find a quality integrated? Do we just have to accept having a pile of boxes?
madavid0
Hmmm the OP gives me the impression that his mind cannot be changed. So be it. Very, and I do mean very, recently I purchased my very first integrated which by the way includes a Phono and headphone stage along with 4 additional ANALOG connections. I'm still in the early evaluation stages but so far my reaction has been very positive. Clearly an improvement over my separates system which is also still in use. I took a chance after reading a lot of opinions and so far most opinions did not hold water. Some did though. I will write a review on this integrated matched with some difficult speakers to be posted at the end of the month. It will be my impression good and bad. The purpose of the review is to help others who may be floundering with the integrated issue.
Salute!

A re-occurring theme in these integrated units are these digital volume control schemes, usually some kind of electronically-controlled resistor ladder. Even very high-quality units everyone loves like the Esoterics use these. Virtually all solid-state integrated units use these things...from Simaudio, to Esoteric to Marantz to Luxman all the way down to Yamaha. Even the more boutique brands like Musical Fidelity...even Accuphase!

WHY??? Am I just being bigoted against these electronic line stages? Can these really provide the lushness and three-dimentionality you would expect out of a "proper" active class A line stage?
Study up on the design of the Ayre AX-5 Twenty. Then take a listen. You will be amazed.

greginnh-

the Ayre is on my list. Can you comment on Accuphase, Ayre and Luxman?  Happy Listening!